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Tom Mountford
Sunday 19th September 1999
6:24 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

JSP - The London Repair Centre (LRC) who are the sponsors of this site sell reconditioned Betacam kit and I think they do quite a lot of shipping worldwide.

JSP
Sunday 19th September 1999
1:09 pm U.K.

umatic@bigpond.com

here I am wishing I guess

If anyone has any older "cheap" betacam recorders they would like to part with in SOUTH AUSTRALIA, or if you can organise fair price shipping to South Australia, please drop me a line. My exsisting tapestock is only betacam so an SP machine would be wasted on me...

JSP

Walter Steenvoorden
Saturday 18th September 1999
10:56 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I found out what the S means: The machines has an extra PCB inside, and writes a special timetrack (when connected properly,since it needed to connected to a 12V) for Film (SMPTE) timecode. The BVV-5PS has been superceeded by the newer version of the BVV-5 docking station wich allowed it to be given any needed time code. I remember i once saw some JVC SECAM U-matics at a local station in paris. I once was at a TV-station in Guingamp in France where the gathering and editing was done with PAL, the signal was converted to SECAM in the end processing. The postproduction units had a special preview plug in on their avid to see the result as being SECAM. The guy over their in charge , told me he disliked the modulation of SECAM and said that PAL was better due to its better color noise to picture ratio.

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 15th September 1999
9:09 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi All -

Walter - It might be too obvious to be the correct answer but most equipment I've come across with an 'S' in the model number has been SECAM switchable/compatible.

Rajesh - Take a look around the back of the machines, is the REFERENCE output on the U-matic plugged to the REFERENCE input on the Beta machine? If it is not then the picture from the Beta will have a black line across it that will gradually rise up the screen before reappearing again at the bottom, this is because the machine has no sync to lock to.

If the U-matic feeding the Beta is an older model it probably won't have a reference output. If this is the case most Beta decks will have a loop-through on the composite input, you can plug the output of the composite input loop back into the reference input, essentially self-sycing the machine.

I'm not sure of your situation but with a drum of good quality 75ohm coax you could wire your DC30 up to a remote Beta machine easily (analogue video and audio signals can go for up to a hundred or more metres without real problems) and via one of the serial ports on your PC the Beta machine can be remotely controlled with some reasonably cheap software. Going straight to the Beta would give you far higher quality than bouncing it of U-matic.

Failing that do what I used to, befriend someone who doesn't mind lending you their Beta machine :-)

Rajesh Ranajn
Wednesday 15th September 1999
4:40 am U.K.

videocraft@hotmail.com

I got one setup consisting of one U-matic and one non linear system(miro dc30). i work on Pal system. Actually we dont have any Beta uvw palayer recorder available nearby. So we first edit on nonlinear and then transfer it to U-matic 9850 then we carry that tape to the studio where one beta recorder is available. The problem is that the picture does not hold over ther and we could not get Umatic- beta transfer.We tried out on many beta machine but could not succed.

Walter Steenvoorden
Tuesday 14th September 1999
11:57 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Does anyone know whats the main difference between the BVV5AP and the BVV5AP-S?, i've used them both on various cameras (Including DXC 327,HL-55a and Z-one-C). But never figered out what the main difference was between the both. I saw that the S model worked best (it had the newest drum). Also does anyone know why a Crystal DMV970a Audio DSP (As used in Behringer audio limiters and Allan And Heath mixers) gets stressed when used with a HDCAM's AES/EBU digital outputs (with and without the clock signal)?. I know it are a bit of X-files questions but i hope someone could help me with them.

James Burch
Saturday 11th September 1999
8:28 pm U.K.

James@venturatv.co.uk

Sony BVW-20 NTSC (betacam field player-no sp) 100.

Walter Steenvoorden
Sunday 5th September 1999
12:10 pm U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Oh almost forgot. I recently bought a Sony DCR DVX-2000 if you're planning on going DV its the best for the job!

Walter Steenvoorden
Sunday 5th September 1999
12:08 pm U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I also dislike the rendering time, i myself have been also been nosing around for a DV500. Since i've got a new PC (Pentium III, with 128 Megs and a set of 2 big 20 gig 7200 RPM discs) the rendering time has been cut in half, but still is way to long. How i wish i had the boss his Avid Symphony at home :-)...

Tom Mountford
Thursday 2nd September 1999
8:27 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi there Walter,

Up until a few months ago I had a DC50 - cracking good card but the rendering got to be insane, I once had to wait for eight hours on one graphics sequence so I sold it. I've been looking at the DV500 myself, looks like one hell of card! I use an IBM M-Pro running Discreet edit* on Digisuite LE at work, cutting corporate videos. But I'm saving up my pay to get my own M-Pro with a DV500 in it to work on some personal sell-thru video programmes I've been planning. All day in an edit suite, a quick break for some beans on toast then working in another suite through the night - can't think of anything better!

Walter Steenvoorden
Thursday 2nd September 1999
8:44 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Adobe Premiere is included with Miro's DV500 package. The DV500 costsaround a 1000 U$, and can handle both DV-Firewire and Anologue (S-Plug) video. I myself have a DC30 (wich is an analogue only) butworks great with Betacam and U-matic.

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 1st September 1999
9:57 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi Jesse,

The exchange rate usually floats around $1.50 to the pound. I'm not really sure what you were considering a Beta for, are you in the biz or thinking of going into it.... or did you think one would just look good under your telly :-)

But yeah, Beta is a damned expensive format for what it does and to be honest I certainly wouldn't buy one new (I'm in the lucky position of working for a video company that doesn't mind me borrowing their UVW-1400 at weekends). Once you put about five or six hundred hours on the drum the pictures begin to get pretty grotty and you can get a lot of tearing on peak whites. I'd only recommend Beta for someone with a lot of material already on the format or someone tied to a client who demands it. There are many far better and cheaper alternatives.

If you're on a fairly tight budget then MiniDV or DVCam may still be a possible option - there are several semi-pro palmcorders that have near broadcast specs. Some of the better ones have external inputs on them that allow you to use them as digital video recorders as well as camcorders, an all-in-one solution. I've recently been looking at the Sony DSR-PD100 DVCam palmcorder, it's still pricey at almost two grand with all the accessories but for what it does you get a lot of bangs for you bucks!

If you're on an even tighter budget than that take a look at BVU (Broadcast Video U-matic) you can find out more about it on the U-matic page of PALsite. Even though it's pretty much obsolete in the UK it still conforms to your broadcast standards and a well lined up machine using new tapes should provide very pleasing pictures (I'd say the pictures were about double the quality of S-VHS). There are literally HUNDREDS of U-matics on offer at Ebay - and they're very cheap, we're talking from double-figures upwards! I was recently given a player for free! You can get an old camera, a portable recorder and a couple of edit machines for just a few hundred dollars. If you've got the cash to add a little more 'oomph' to your computer then you can get a video capture card and an application like Adobe Premiere and you're in business, a total video production company on your desktop! There's the additional benefit that non-linear editing prevents the generation loss associated with editing from one tape to another so the pictures remain at almost the quality you shot them. Also, almost every broadcaster and production company has a U-matic sitting in a cupboard somewhere so even though it's an elderly format you'll find very few companies who can't accept material on it. If you go down the U-matic route there's lots of help available on the U-matic chat page.

Jesse Alonzo
Wednesday 1st September 1999
12:44 pm U.K.

latinopikachu@yahoo.com

Yes,it is of some help. Could you tell me how many American dollars equal a pound? *sigh. No offense taken,but that's why you guys have the best in everything. No offense to you,but we Americans like to use things more than once..... we like to get the most for our money. How are the gas prices? I hear they're quite expensive...I would gladly have us paying $4.99 a gallon for REGULAR unleaded because people here don't know how to conserve....they need to be taught a very expensive lesson (besides running out of oil). They drive these big SUVs and heavy cars and expect them to get the gas mileage of a Ford Pinto or other small car...if only it was that easy. Well,thanx for your input,I am now more depressed than ever before because I can never get a NEW Betacam,and if I ever do get a USED one,it will surely have been driven into the ground by the meanies at the local TV station. :)

Tom Mountford
Sunday 29th August 1999
7:34 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi Jesse,

Despite being a fairly old format now (developed in the mid-80s) Betacam machines still command pretty high prices. I would imagine that they are even more expensive in your part of the world where, if you don't mind me saying, much equipment we've since abandoned in the UK is still regarded as broadcast standard. But remember there are two variations of the format - standard (oxide) and SP (metal) which are only semi-compatible, with SP being by far the more widely used and more expensive.

Anyway here's a rough guide of what most people would be willing to pay for USED Betacam / Beta SP kit over here (in UK pounds):

BVW oxide series (BVW10 to BVW40, except BVW35): 150 - 800 UVW series (industrial grade) Beta SP players: 1000 - 1500UVW series (industrial grade) Beta SP recorders: 1500 - 2500PVW series (professional grade) Beta SP players: 2500 - 3500PVW series (professional grade) Beta SP recorders: 3500 - 5500BVW series (broadcast grade) Beta SP players: 1000 - 3500BVW series (broadcast grade) Beta SP recorders: 4500 - 9500

There are loads of places on the net that list used equipment and there's used kit listings in the back of almost every trade mag. A lot of the machines will be getting-on a bit and the BVW series especially will probably have been heavily used in a broadcast environment (and a new drum for a BVW is VERY expensive!) If you definitely have to work on Betacam then it's worth considering a new UVW deck - they're basic player/recorders but the image quality is the same as a BVW.

On the other hand if you're not tied to using Beta then definitely take a look at the various industrial digital formats on offer like DVC-PRO or DVCam. They'll far outperform Beta (no noise and no glitches) at a fraction of the cost. A Sony DSR-20P costs 1800 over here and it's exceptionally high quality.

Hope this is of some help.

Jesse Alonzo
Sunday 29th August 1999
5:22 pm U.K.

latinopikachu@yahoo.com

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A GENTLY USED BETACAM (NTSC) CHEAP????????? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THEY COST,AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW!!! Anyway,the site is GREAT! How about doing one for the NTSC side (those of us to the left of the Atlantic would like a site as comprehensive as this :)! )

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 25th August 1999
8:44 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

'Ello there! Does anyone know why large size oxide Beta tapes are in production when the original Betacam machines can only take the small size tapes?

P.S. Great addition to the site! I don't suppose a section devoted to one-inch is going to grace Palsite sometime in the future???? Keep up the good work. Thanks :-)

alan
Wednesday 25th August 1999
11:06 am U.K.

alan@barnett.org

Hi Klaus,

don't know quite how you managed to post here before the site went live officially but I very much hope that you and all future visitors will find something worthwhile in Betacam PALsite.

Alan

Walter Steenvoorden
Wednesday 25th August 1999
7:07 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I dislike the BVW 50 to, i think a Ikegami HL-V55 with a playback adaptor works way better. Anyway this site is great!

Klaus G Carstens
Sunday 18th July 1999
10:08 pm U.K.

Klaus@kgc.de

Problem:The BVW 50 (Portable Recorder/Player) in my Laguage called Kofferradio is the even worst ever build Betacammachine,Poor plastk machinereie wich should handle large cassettes.now I have such a blaster to do service on. The propblem : In Playback a zone of dropouts appear in aboout a 1/3 of Picture height obout 2 lines , Headdrum and all this stuff had been replacead, but the simtom still occures, it comes after about 2 hours of operation,does someone know the answer Thanks Klaus

klaus carstens
Monday 28th June 1999
11:38 am U.K.

klaus@kgc.de

For the BVW 40 is a Kit available (BK 40P) wich makes it possible toplayback sp tapes

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