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I'm looking for the multi-pin configuration for Sony Betacam Play Back Adaptor VA 300/500. Can anyone help me out ?
Thanks in advance
Hi there, i am after the following boards for a BVW-75P i am trying to fix. TBC-8P/TBC-12P, TBC-7P, DM-56 and DEC-20/DEC-46. If anyone has these boards (working or not)kicking around in a cupboard i am interested. Machines after serial no:12548 were fitted with a TBC-12 board (so an SDI output kit could be fitted), the DEC-20 board was also updated to a DEC-46 after serial no:11928. If anyone has updated a machine and still has the earlier boards kicking around-i am interested.Many thanks-James.
I'm a student that have to design a TV set. The set have 3 cameras and 5 microphones. I know that a video recorder, player and editor, also a switcher, ... but I need that anyone tells me a basic system of a TV set.Thanks for your help.Manuel.
I am looking for the pinout of the standard 26 pin camera/vtr connector. Thanks for your time.
You'll need a widget or a DV-in activation, this means that indeed a chip needs to be reprogrammed. This algrorytm is the ALMOST the same for both PAL and NTSC camcorders, but the software is the same, PAL or NTSC is to be selected. A Widget is a chip wich reroutes the data and emulates a DV-in on some brands. Most camcorders just need an activation, wich works almost the same as unlocking a cell phone, the firmware is overwritten.
I have a Panasonic DV Cam NV-EX1 in PAL its a great little camera that I bought in the UK, I hooked it up via firewire to an IMac to do a basic edit which was fine but when i went to export the image back to the camnera is said no can do ! Is there any way I can get the chip re-programmed to accept the inbound signal ?I live in the San Francisco area but would be happy to ship the camera back to the UKI hope there is someone out ther that can do thisThanksKC
Looking for the handle for a BVP-30/BVV1a and the Connector Cover for Sony BVP-30, Sony part #3-685-128-02
NEW Sony BVV-5/PS....$7,900 US. Hello PAL users. I hope it's OK to offer an item for sale. This is an extraordinary deal on a brand new Sony BVV-5/PS PAL dockable Beta SP recorder. We are Sony dealers in Florida, so, we usually sell only NTSC, but we have a PAL BVV-5/PS for immediate sale. This unit is the latest current model, new in sealed carton. Regular price is well over $16,000. Anyone interested in saving over 50% on a new Sony BVV-5/PS, please feel free to contact us by email: [email protected] or check out our site at http://www.videoequipment.com
Thank you,Joe ReinhardtHi-Tech Trading Company
The PVW series use the BKW-2030 plug in card to have a DUB in out, it's optional. The BKW-2030 also works with BVW series machines. The thing with your machine probally was a incorrect jumpered BKW-2030 or a fauly cable. Sometimes you can jumperset the BKW to emphas on Hi 8 modulated dubbing or swap component with composite (i don't know why people would do such a thing). The 2600/2650/2800/2850 take in the BKW board, the 2400 (a kind of BVW22 only produced in NTSC as far as i'm aware of it) can't take one
To my knowledge, PVW machines (ie 2600, 2650 & 2800's) DO have a U-matic dub connector fitted. However, I once tried this with a 2600P & VO9850, and only got monochrome pictures. Dunno if this was expected or not, but I didn't persist because I was only curious. Maybe it only works with BVU decks.
The BVW40P has a U-matic DUB, i have one in the tape room fitted with an SP kit. I also have had a magnetic end of tape warning system installed aswell as 2 dolby noice reducers boards fitted with DSP's. The BVW40P is only used to aquire stuff from U-matic and playback stuff shot on SP-camcorders. Also BVW60 /65/70/75/85 and some PVW models can be fitted with an optional U-matic DUB board, i don't know if its around anymore, i do know that it was fitted standard on the BVW40P and on some 1 inch models (BVU was used for ENG and then copied over to 1 inch for broadcast playback). Or you could try a For-A converter, they give perfect realtime conversion to everything wich is plugged in, it's compatible with S-VHS Betacam DUB U-matic DUB Component Composite SDI (17 to 50 megabits) 26 pin and those big D-1 25 pin connectors. It's a 4 unit high 19 inch box wich can plug in converter boards who carry connectors. It gives a time word out to resync audio and has been my biggest help in the studio, besides the coffee machine and the micromave hahaha
Is there a Betacam with Y/C-924 dub connection? I know of HI-8 with Y/C-924 connections but I am disappointed in HI-8 performance. The bandwith is higher and the noise figures about the same compared with U-Matic(SP). When I look at the pictures I think the U-matic picture is much better and my HI-8 tapes have too many drop-outs although I use professional tapes.If there is a Betacam with a Y/C-924 connection I sure would like to know which model(s).
You can get near BVW Betacam type of picture with a 3 chip FIT camera connected to a BVU150P with t/c. I once got a kind of jelous reaction reaction from a guy stunned that my U-wrap SP exceeded the qaulity and drop out ratio of his EVW-300 Hi8 one-piece machine (wich has the same chipset as the UVW-100 ). I just used a normal JVC KY19B with a 26 pin connected to the BVU 150P. Some Betacam decks have a U-matic DUB in. Also most outputs on the BVU-series are more balanced then the ones used on Hi8 and SVHS, especially the XLR's and composite out.M-II is great, infact the qaulity exceeds Betacam SP. The recording system works almost the same, with 3 components and FM audio. When used for PAL or video to film, the difference is not that noticeable. When used for NTSC M-II gives more colour and slighty more resolution. M-II fathered D-3 and D-5 wich lost the format war again to Sony's Digital Betacam. Panasonic is now finally beating Sony in a format war DVCPRO outsells Betacam SX 4 to 1.
Servicing MII isn't a problem because I am a technician. Parts, I don't know. Maybe. I read somewhere that TVNZ was or still is using MII next to Betacam.
Good to know that the U-matic gear I am using is capable of giving a better picture with another camera. I allways thought that the composite way of recording and editing is the bottleneck.
I haven't used MII at all, but what I do know is that because it was never the most popular format ever, it is not only difficult to get hold of these days, but when you do it is cheap.
So if you are looking for low cost, then used MII kit might be an option, but I would suggest that you may have more problems getting it serviced and parts/tapes etc. I am not saying it was inferior, it's just that BetaSP won that format war. As I understand it MII was used for many years to record programmes such as "The Bill" in the UK.
I used to use a DXC3000 and an M7 connected to a VO8800, and the M7 always came out on top - as reflected in the Spec.
Of course if you are looking for a new camera, the DXC D30P is an exceptional piece of kit for the cost (c. £6k) Digital, Widescreen, Dockable to anything and has a few features such as file setups etc.
I'm sorry this is long but it take some time to explain. Is there anyone out there in cyberspace willing to help over 650 people in need? I work for an orphanage in Pattaya, Thailand where Iím trying to produce video features to generate donations for the 178 orphans and the 450 students involved. The organization has grown from a small orphanage to include a blind school with 122 students from ages six to twenty-one and a school for deaf children with fifty-seven students. In 1987 a vocational school for young disabled adults that teaches computer sciences and repair was established with 189 students from the ages of18 to 35. In addition to the orphanage and schools the group also supports a Stateless Old Peopleís Home with up to fifteen residents and a Street Kidís Home with an average of about seventy-three boys in one home and about twenty girls at another location.
Five years ago a group in England donated a Betacam editing system to our organization. For four years Iíve been operating the system and editing feature that have helped get contributions for the orphans and disabled students. However, lately Iíve been having trouble with the system and getting maintenance support from Sony (Thailand) is difficult if not impossible. I have the operator manuals for this equipment but I need maintenance manuals. I have an oscilloscope and with the manuals I could keep the equipment running with spare parts ordered from Sony in Japan. When operating the Betacam editing equipment works well and the programming looks good. Iíd like to keep it running for another five year if possible and with the maintenance manuals I feel I can.
If anyone know where I can get or have sent to me the maintenance manuals for the following Betacam editing equipment: videocassette player model BVW-10P, videocassette recorder model BVW-40P and the editing control unit model BE -800. Thank you in advance for your time and any information you can provide. Remember that your information can help over 650 orphans and disabled students.
hi!,I am preparing a course material for Betacam servicing ( bothj the recorder and the cammera), I would like to have all the help and resources avbl from the web!, please do help me,.Iam still anovice in the subject,.
Friday 31st December 1999
9:14 pm U.K. ¶
Thanks for your responce. You are right. It will be a lot of money changing to component. But I hope, that with more people changing to non lineair, lineair equipment will get cheaper.
I am a little surprised about what you said about the camera. When I compare my DXC -3000 picture with for instance a Panasonic AJ-D400 I can't see that much differance. OK, the DXC needs twice as much light. And I never was able to compare them closely.I sure will take a closer look to other cameras when I get a chance. Dockable would be nice. The DXC -3000 with the VO-8800 is bulky. The other camera I have (Panasonic WV-F200) is also very old and the picture is slightly less in colour detail compared to the DXC -3000.
I am also interested in the difference between MII and Betacam. When I look at the technical specification I can't see much differance. So if there is somebody out there with both Betacam and MII experience I would like to hear about it.
The pro's of Betacam SP are obvious. Unfortunatly, the con's are mainly price. As is clear from previous posts on this site, everybody wants something for nothing, or as close to nothing as they can.
Once you have got the decks, component peripherals such as vision mixers are also more expensive - because they are still in common use today. However, you should still get a good image using BetaSP, even in composite.
Although, with the kit you have, a DXC3000 is a little dated by todays standard (it was Sony's first 3CCD camera in 1985), and even an old BVP7 would get you much better images at High Band leval at a good used price. Better still if it were docked to a BVV1 oxide recorder, which are going begging today.
So basically, my advice is to change the camera side first, as better pictures in, better pictures out...
Thursday 30th December 1999
9:54 pm U.K. ¶
Hi all. I am using BVU-950 machines now. The recording side is a VO-8800 and DXC -3000 camera (YC-4.43 MHZ). I am very pleased with the original picture quality. But I think that too much of the quality gets lost in the editing proces.I have already looked at a few JVC-KRM -800 machines because they were really cheap. I didn't buy them because new heads were about NZ$ 3500 each. One reason why I bought the BVU-950 's is because heads are roughly NZ$ 700.I replaced VO-9850 heads after 3500 hours of use, so they can last reasonably long. When I read this site I saw figures of 600 hours. I read that Betacam heads are also expensive.To make a long story short: In the future I would like to use component equipment.I would like to hear from people who can tell me the pro's and con's of MII and Betacam SP. By the way, I don't want to go non lineair yet. For the short productions I make it is not faster and I don't need special effects. I like the user friendly lineair system I am using now.Rein
I have about 10 hours of Betacam sp ntsc show footage that I need to convert to something that we can edit, digital etc.Does anyone have a machine available to download it for a reasonable price? Its urgent!
I,m in Devon UK
Hello!I want to buy a magnetoscope betacam recorder SP PAL UVW-1400 very used and with many hours of function because my budget is limited (aprox.2000$-2500$).Does anywhone where it is possible to found this beta?I need very much and I do not want warranty and I accept to buy with the heads drum very used,older.Please, help me with an adress,e-mail.Thank you! E-mail to: [email protected]
Greetings from Tokyo. Would appreciate some advice / hints on a special for sale item (job cancelled) : Sony DNW A 220P Beta SX Laptop editor in original sony box, 197/170 hrs only,cosmetical 10 of 10, Sony check dec 15th-flawless. PAL SP+SX to PAL SX, NTSC SP+SX to NTSC SX,SDI in/outs, composite in/outs, lcd monitors, audiomixer built in,RS 422s...list over 30000 USD for sale immediately @ 15800 USD. Where would be the best place to advertise this unit for sale?All the best and thank you for your attention and may be your ideasinterscreen Japan Y.K., direct e-mail: [email protected]
I think that the servo's or the tape transport has passed out. Most of the times this means that new parts and an engineer are needed. Most BVW-10's and BVW-40 machines have troubles with their transport mechie after 8 to 10 years of heavy service. Editing is still posible with 2 VTR's, but won't a non-linear system (Windows NT, Adobe premiere and a component video capture board) be way better. 20 GB 10K RPM disc and a 800 Mhz are just about standard on any low budget win NT workstation. And besides most companies expect you to work non linear these days. By using a computer editing instead of a 3 machines linear setup, you will extend the life of your VTR's and you can put the character , chromakey and framestore machines up for sale, and increase qaulity at the same time
I'm here in Pattaya Beach, Thailand sitting in my studio trying to get this old BVW-10P to operate. Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a maintenance manual for the BVW-10P or BVW-40P?
I've gone to Sony in Bangkok but they refuse to help or send their people to repair the equipment. Pattaya is about a two hour drive from Bangkok and they say it's to far and the equipments' to old so I should buy new. Well, I'd love to but I work with the local orphanage and they or I can't afford new equipment so I'm stuck with the Sony equipment I have. But, I also need to produce videos that the orphanage can use to get donations and the only way I can do that is if I can get this old equipment repaired.
Right now the systems consists of two BVW-10Ps, the Editing Control Unit (BVE -800 ) and the BVW-40P recorder. Everything works except the #1 BVW-10P player. It turns "on" and will eject but it won't play, rewind or fast forward.
Does anyone out there know the problem and what I can be done to get it operating again? I've got 172 orphans waiting to see the video feature I'm doing about them. I sure Hope someone can help!
I should be at the beach, not in this studio! I'll check back tomorrow. Thanks!
Gary T. [email protected]
Hi outthere speacilly.Alan i got on the site even it was not offically online throgh a link on the Betamax Pal site.After some time of hard work i have now time to enjoy this growing and usefull site.Toms question.Large Oxide tapes were made for the migration from Beta to Beta SP, the BVW 70, 75 machines can record and playbackon both kinds of tapes,in NTSC you will almost see no difference in Performance of Beta to Beta SP but in Pal you see it.As on the first days of Beta SP you had more non SP machunes in the Facillites as SP ones,threfore the first Productions were run on Oxide Tapes even on SP Machines,on the otherhand SP Tapes were very expensive that time.,Klaus
does anyone know were i could get some spec's on the sony bvw-125p and an indication of what they are worth?
Hi Randy (?!),
Your problem sounds to me like a good-old head clog on the SP heads.
Give the deck a good wet-clean and it'll probably be OK.
i have some betacam SX a45's. the playback of the sp tape is messed up. the video playback is flashing, and grey bars appear when the i try to suttle. i think it might be the head stack, the sp heads are seperate heads and this would not affect the video on sx. my coworkers think it's the DM-89 card. i appericate any help you can give.
Looking to buy Sony PVW 2600 PAL or Sony UVW 1200 /1400A PAL.
Hi there,does anybody know of good place for buying/selling used betacam equipment?
Still looking for a book for my BVW25 and a working BVW10, don't need SP replay!!!
I hope you will all forgive me. I know that this is a Betacam site but I would like to find a home for my MII AU750's. I have two in good working order complete with a set of extenders, a manual and a spare head.I used a Sony RM450 controller with these and would like to sell the lot together.£700
dear moviemanthe pvv3p menŁ user menu,system menu,maintance menuto make settings using the user menu.1-press the menubutton in the tc panel.2-press the advance button repeatedly to change the menu number in the lcd to the required menu number.3-press the shift button to select the menu.the current setting appears and the setting can be changed.4-press shift button to switch to the next portion to set then press the advance button to change the value of the blinking numbers.5-press the reset(menu set)button.the setting is registered and the menu number blinks again.6-press menu button.the lcd returns to the display before the user menu.menu no:101:setting the real time clock and calendermenu no:201:drum run meterpress shift button a:head drumop.hoursb:tape transport hours.c:operating hours(total with power on)
Hi all me again, does any one know how to read the hours meter on a PVV3 thanks
Has the U-matic site run out of space? There's nothing showing since the 15th and I've posted two messages on ther since.http://www.umatic.icom43.net
hi all has any 1 got a book for the UVW-1800P in Adobe PDF format thanxs
The Playback error on the BVW2800, maybe a sync problem (getting the frame on tape on time.) In these cases a simple print with a 22nF capicitator can oscilate a sync signal to sync your machine (timeword!) for you. Our you can use a loop thru to the sync video signal in. If you're already synced you could have some severe cable damage or a malfunction on the R-Y/B-Y/C boards, these are far to complex to fix without ferm knoledge of it's board. Best is to let it be serviced. I Record with timeword sync BVW75 (about 12 years of age) and it works perfect. The BVH3100 is a good piece of hardware, skipping and or frame skips has to do with the servo's getting old. I have a BVH3100 (with a Thomson logo) wich i only run on free-run (no t/c) because it's from 1979, and has servo's working like a trabant with a flat tyre.
dear colleages bvh 3100ps a time mode tm1 gives time shifting error .it means when 00 00 00 00 shows starting point of the picture shuttle goes forward and comes back to the starting picture with random delay(eg.5,6,10,15,47...)this problem can be also seen while using cue points.we are for yours advises about solving this poblem.help me please.
hi.after recording or playback pictures with pvw-2800p in studio,try to pb that recording or another record casette pictures and saw drop in pictures.when we stopped in drop time we saw very thin horizantal white or purple lines .when we pb so with these equipments lines sometimes can be seen or not at drop time.metal y do and c do not adjusting(trimpot)help me please.upper drum 400hours.lower drum 400 hours
Hi All, Finally got my BVV! back end working with a 3 tube front end, now can go shoot piccys, pity the BVW25 is up the creek so can't replay anything.....!!!!!I may have a book for a DXC537, will look in the manual store, what do you need to know????Has anyone got a book for the BVW25 that I can look at??? think I have a servo fault...
Dear colleagues! Does anybody know where I can find technical service manual for Sony dxc 537?
Hi there Movieman,
I had this problem when I first tried plugging composite to a beta. There is a way to sync the machine without an SPG, both the ref and video inputs on the UVW decks have loop-thrus, simply plug the looped output of the composite input to the reference input - remembering to switch off the composite video termination. The machine will then sync itself.
Question, I have some old vhs tapes which i need to dump down onto beta sp i have a uvw1800P Whats the best way to do this if it can be done i have tried using the ref input but keep getting lines and bad colour thank you
Hi there People,
Does anyone know where I can buy a cheap BetaSP player?!
Evenin' all -
Phew! Pressure now off, I was still rewinding the masters as the courier came to collect them - was working on it until four this morning, but I have a Burger King on the doorstep so I keep myself going! <g>
I've been getting an ocassional problem with the UVW1400, when I plug a composite input and loop it through to the reference I've sometimes been getting an 'ERROR 93-000' warning on the display, the pictures rolls and it prompts me to contact service (great way for Sony to make money eh!) the problem often goes when I switch the deck off then on again - anyone know what the 93-000 error is?
Greetings from Bonnie Scotland to all you BetaPeople!
Great site, I've been hoping for something like this for ages.You see, I have a problem ...
I got a great bargain on a used BVW35 portable - low hours,one careful owner. Unfortunately it's now developed a problem.Whenever I attempt to insert a tape it only makes it halfwaythrough the tape wind-up process before coming to a halt and giving a 'tape slack' warning.
I sent it to my local service engineer who couldn't trace the faultexcept to tell me that all the motors, servos, etc. all seemed to be OK. To make matters worse when I sent it to Sony Broadcast in the UK - it worked fine! They kept it on the test bench for 2 weeks andcouldn't get it to repeat the fault. Of course when I got it back homeit fell over in a week ...
Has anyone out there heard of this problem. If you can give me a suggestion then I would be grateful (We make some lovely Malt Whiskyround these here parts.)
All the best experts begin as enthusiasts, it's great to have the time to play around and experiment with ideas without the pressure or tight deadlines and clients to please (I was in the suite 'til 2AM this morning). During the day I'm an editor on corporate videos for national companies (in Discreet edit*/combustion*). In the evenings I work on my own video projects and am a bit of a Kenny Everett (have you heard of him over there?) when it comes to short animations, stings and stuff like that. I'm saving to take my personal system up to realtime and get a DVCam to go with it, at the moment it's lashed up to any old VT that's working. I'd love a 9000 series, or even a BVU-970... pretty damn sexy looking piece of hardware.
Hi Movieman - There's a thing I saw in a magazine recently called a universal mounting plate that's supposed to fit any camera, it's a bit pricy but may be easier that trying to find the actual model for the Ikky.
hi all does any one know where i can get a tripod plate for a IkegamiHC-00 Iknows it's old but i lot my last one on location. thanks
what do I use my series 2 stuff for?
I do a wedding or two, and 5 or 6 years ago I got fairly good results out of them, but since have moved up in the world to a dv camcorder and PC, im just an enthusiast, not an expert.
To tell the truth I have a pair of 2850's on their sides in the shed, one good unit, one which is past it, with an old door sitting onthem for an extra work bench. Apart from that I have a mint 2650 which sits next to a few old betamax's and vhs's which I use when people ask me to convert tapes.
Apart from that in my kit room I now have a pair of vp-5040 's and a vo-5630, I find they give fantastic results for dubbing from DV and using as a master for mass VHS slave copies, just a pity about the 1hour limit, but that rarely bothers me.
Would love to get my hands on a 5800 or 5850, or even a 9000 series recorder...if one presented itself for a good price in AUstralia...
Hi all, Hi Walter -
I've found little difference between the various chemical makeups of tapes. There's a massive difference between the tapes you buy in the supermarket and the stuff bought from pro-suppliers - definitely the cheaper tapes have far more dropouts, plus the shell-strength and quality of the boxes gets better the more expensive the tape. Basically videotape is a stip of plastic film coated with magnetic particles and a lubricant - I think there's only so many alterations you can make that will make a visible difference, and all videotapes will archive relatively well if you store them correctly. I buy the cheapest Maxell Betas and every one I've used has been flawless for five or six passes.
In reply to: Barium FerriteI once had some Barium Ferrite DAT tapes wich bashed the heads of my Sony PCM 7010... But on the Tascam DA40 they worked wonderfull, the Tascam heads (i don't know what type they are) almost showed no increase in headwear. I use the BCT and BCM-XL series tape from Sony and Maxell and i think they do fine. But then again after 4 or 5 runs i use them as archive-tapes and do not re-record on them.
I'm looking for Sony EDV 30 video camera. Unfortunately I'm not being able to find it through any of the search engines. Could someone help me locate this product.
Hello, I'm back off my holiday... I was browsing a junk shop in Ludlow and came across an old BVW-75 and they wanted just twenty quid for it so I...
...Only kidding! <g>
I've had a grotty day too - even pro kit deserves a damn good kicking sometimes! My eight-hour render hung at the last minute and the Celeron system ran out of disk space with a few frames to go! Technical support line said "Probably a software bug, it should be fixed in Q1 next year" as if that's any help now!
As for luck - I just make sure that whenever I'm on a shoot or visiting a facility I drop into the conversation that I collect old kit - making sure I say something like "I haven't seen one of those for ages" or "That must be seventeen years old now?" Occasionally I strike lucky and they say "Yeah, we don't use it much these days" and that's my cue.
Also try a mass emailing or faxing of production companies within whatever radius you're willing to travel with a list of stuff you want and a soppy 'poor student desperately needs...' sob-story. Usually they just get binned but just sometimes they can actually land on the desk of someone who'll take pitty on you and has something gathering dust. You've got to try and get yourself in the right place at the right time.
But do bear in mind the kit with a price tag usually works - the stuff people give me is usually either totally obsolete or is uneconomical to repair. The BVW-10 I got may have been free but the hours-meter is off the scale, the timecode card's dead, the servos have gone, the tape's slack, the guide-posts are bent and it's going to cost a hell of a lot to put on the road again. At the moment it's of not practical use at all.
BTW what do you use your series-2 stuff for?
Martin - I haven't heard of the company but I believe Barium Ferrite tape is the next step up from Chromium Dioxide. I don't think Chrome tapes are available any more because the higher picture quality and lower drop-outs were at the cost of rapidly increased head-wear. The site says that isn't so with BaFe but I'd imagine it must have some effect or everyone would be using the stuff. I guess the only way to find out is to get a box and take it for a spin.
Has anyone heard of this company? http://www.arkival.com/ Theyproduce some high quality Barium Ferrite based tapes suitable for archiving. I've not heard of this type of tape before, any ideas?
Luck is not with me? or is it?
I hear so many stories.....this betacam deck has alot of hours and they were gonna chuck it out so I put it in the boot and its champing along fine....or....I asked them and they sold me a heap of kit for 10 bucks a piece cleaning out there cupboards........
now im spitting the dummy, where do I find all this wheeling and dealing? I like the old stuff, but around my parts and large bundles of cash mean beta's to be had....
any idea's people? I just want an old recorder....clean and working...you know the story...poor starving student with part time job......I mean POOR, the real poor, not the type of poor Tom is with all them pro decks ;)
no offense but a few have offered me decks from UK (im after PAL) for a few hundred pounds, well that means a few hundred times 2, plus 300 bucks ot ship it, anywhere upto $1000 australian...hmmmm....thats alot of loaves of bread and tins of heinz beans huddled around the warmth radiating from my series 2 umatic edit suite ;)
sorry im having a bad day ;)
Yep they still make them, their only hard to get, Tapes BV here in Hilversum still sells them new, ass (i think) all big resellers of videotapes do. The oxide tape are only used for SuperBeta and Betacam (Non SP) machine's. They also work excellent with the PCM -F1 digital audio coder.
I was wondering if Sony still make Beta Oxide tapes...?
As for my Beta kit - well, I see enough SP/SX/DigiBeta during my day job, but as a "collector", I have; BVV1/BVV3P, BVW15P(DT/SP), BVW40P, BVW200P (1989 SP camcorder + full shooting kit).
Hi Tom. Just found this page. Cel are now Snell & Wilcox and were at Saffron Walden.I've got some bits if you want then - P147-32 /P148 maurice etc.
Take a look at the new updated accessories pages on the site. There are now over 50 items listed.
LOOKING FOR A BVW10 OR SIMILAR, I WANT TO SEE IF MY BVV1 BETACAM PORTABLE WORKS!!!, MIND YOU IT'S DAMN HEAVY WITH A BVP3 CAMERA ON THE FRONT...
Wanted a betacam SP recorder . Must be reasonable condition and price, I would consider a faulty unit. Also have for sale a Sony DXC537 Camera body and CA537 back without lens Excellent condition £1350.Peter (020)8878 2226
Just dropping by to see if anyone knows how I read the hours meter on my BVW-10. I'm used to just pressing a button and having a menu appear with a list, none of this reading a little pin going across a scale stuff. The little pin's all the way across so I guess that means a lot of hours on the drum.
I've given the CEL a good going over and found the source of the white tearing, the output video voltage preset was set wrong. I also found a torn track on the colour carrier card where a bulky component had been wrenched. The old thing works just fine now, runs damn hot though - I could fry an egg on that massive heatsink at the back!
He merijn de e-mail is onderweg, 'k heb donderdags wel effies tijd.
And yes i just love every thing Mac. Almost no crashes, more preformance and all the top professional software available. I saw cubase for win NT (On a P-III 733 with 128 megs!!) last week, it preformed less then the Mac version would do on a 64MB G3 266 Mhz iMac
Zit die walter een beetje een Sony 2000 te kopen. Geld te veel ofzo?
Actually my BVU800 is still not working properly. Maybe you've got some time this week to come by in Bussum? I was thinking of next thursday or friday.
I think Mac-Lovers like the icon above the 'enter your chatmessage below'.
Isn't it Walter? Guess you only like G4 Avid Equiped macs.
I know the B-67 our radio division used it trough the 80's. I myself have a A-80 Stereo with an "enhanced" meter brigde with RTW Plasma meters. I still rely on it alot. Although my Sony PCM7010 does most of my 2 track work, i still use the old studer a lot. I like to edit with sticky tape and splicerknives. I use it mainly to get 16mm and 35mm with sync-ed 2 track thru the telecine with sync-ed audio (since the controlconnecter (the big multipin above the capstan control) works with the tele-cine). But nowadays there's almost no production on 16 or 35. It's all HDCAM or DVCPRO 100 Megabit HD over here. Too bad i kindda liked film...
Hi Walter, I've also got an old CEL catalogue that my dad got when they were fitting out a new suite about fourteen years ago. All the prices have been noted down and the cheapest kit started at 10,000 pounds (my pound-sign key's bust) for stuff that's chucked out for nothing today. The P147 is very sturdy, steel frame and dual thickness metal panels all over - they don't build kit like that anymore! Yeah, I first began cutting tape when I was a kid on a huge old Studer B67 in its trolley with the monitor bridge and everything, huge and unweildy but damn-near indestructible. This new digital stuff is absolutely fantastic but you have to handle it so carefully or all the little flaps and knobs get broken off.
Hi there,The only CEL I have ever heard of is a company who released pre recorded movies onto the domestic markets on video8, betamax and VHS in the 80's.
I just found an old catalogue from MIT Technologie GMBH duetschland wich has some component video mixers made by CEL. I think that the company was taken over by Thomson Broacast UK, but don't know for shure. I once worked with a video mixer from NBA never heardt of them, but it was good, sturdy and had "studer"-like knobs. As with my old 2 track studer open reel to reel, that means that its almost indistructable
Hi Tom,CEL are still in business (albeit taken over) but I cannot remember who by, all I do know is that a PSU for the next version of the 147-20 was over £300-00p, all that for a switch mode 5/12 v unit!!and manuals are like rocking horse....
I was playing through some tapes last night and the entire servo system collapsed, drum speeding up out of control, thought the old think was going to kill itself! My priority at the moment is saving up for the new NLE and camera so I'm going to leave the BVW sitting up the corner until I've got the cash for an overhaul. When it was working though the playback was ever bit as good as the UVW-1400 I use at work so I'm keen to get it back in good health again.
JSP - CEL Electronics are a UK company (I'm not sure if they're still in business) who made timebase correctors, framestores, DVEs and the like throughout the eighties. The kit was pretty advanced stuff in its day - in particular the CEL P152 was a DVE operated via a touch-screen with effects saved on floppies and the capability to use a desktop PC as a framestore. All pretty cool stuff fifteen years ago. The unit I've got (the P147-20) is a simple framestore with mosaic, strobe and a few colour effects. It's a very cheap-looking 4U cream rack case with a few knobs on the front and an opening panel to get to the cards inside.
I know the BVP-10P model,nice freebie!, i have worked with the BVW-65. I had to replace a PCB once to get the jog/shuttle straightend out. Not only because it had problems,it also was destend for an upgrade from Sony.(It ate my primetime ENG edit) Luckely i had a backup destinated for archive wich i got edited with an extra hired BVW75 machine. The problem with most old Betacam SP machines (i.e. 1984 to 1991 BVW) is that when used for editing the tape path wheels get erosed when exposed to heavy use. Especially the part wich spins the tape around the drum, and the mechanism used for dynamic tracking.
Hi! for the uneducated, all I collect is betaMAX + umat and drool over betaCAM, http://users.bigpond.com/jsparkin/
what on earth is this 1982-84 CEL 147-20 thing your talking about?
Hello, I've got around to trying out the CEL P147-20
The old antique (manufactured 1982/84) really is very ill, I'm getting terrible white tearing off everything in the picture, especially on blues. When I put 75% bars through it the blue vanished altogether in white tears and the yellow was streaked to the left totally obliterating the white bar. Most of the panel buttons are jammed and the knobs go all the way past their stopping points. The effects are pretty laughable by today's standards - strobe, posterise, mosaic and a few colour effects. Inside there are six rack cards of RAM for the storing one single frame! Remarkable how far technology's come in the past twenty-odd years! If the black-burst's still working I'll hide it under the desk and just use it for that.
With regards the BVW-10P all the functions work perfectly when I use Betacam tapes (very good quality playback and no sparklies). SP plays acceptably (with sparklies) but the jog-shuttle doesn't work and the tape got torn off the reel when I rewound it. The thought struck me that oxide tapes have a clear plastic leader and SPs have a metal strip for leader. Could the machine have only 'semi-modified' so that although it can do straight playback of SP it only has the optical servo system for oxide and not the magnetic one needed to control SP transport? Hmmmmmmm????
P.S. Steve, thanks for the mail - there's nothing wrong with your PC, I got all three.
Hi everyone, well hi everyone who's not at the U-matic page...
I'm a happy little bunny today! Leon, the editor before me popped into the office today to have one last look around the first place he worked, he's off to live in Holland on Saturday. As a result there was some equipment he can't take with him, knew I collected the stuff and thought I could give it a good home - could I ever!!!!
In the boot of his car he had a CEL P147-20 framestore and an SP modified Sony BVW-10 to give to me! The CEL has had its ceramic insulated BNC input smashed off so I haven't got around to checking it yet. The BVW-10 produces an absolutely perfect picture off both oxide and metal tape, minus the fairly bad white sparklies (upper drum last replaced in 1992!) The problem is, as Leon said, the servos are knackered so the jog shuttle doesn't work and the machine doesn't sense the tape-end so shredded my test tape. Can anyone explain how to fix the servos, I have a fair bit of technical knowledge, or is it really a job for a proper service engineer? Anyone know how much it would cost? - Not that I mind paying a little bit to get a totally free Beta SP player fixed!
P.S. The two fans on the back aren't working, is it most likely they've burned out after so many years running or could they have fused somewhere? All the internal light bulbs are dead, where can I get they right replacements with the little rubber holders for clipping them into the machine from?
P.P.S. Did the CEL P147-20 have an external control panel as it's got two multipin sockets on the back that look right for that purpose. Also can I use the CEL as a standalone black-burst generator for my Discreet edit* system?
Thanks very much!
Wanted BK-15P sp mod kit for BVW-15P.
JSP - The London Repair Centre (LRC) who are the sponsors of this site sell reconditioned Betacam kit and I think they do quite a lot of shipping worldwide.
here I am wishing I guess
If anyone has any older "cheap" betacam recorders they would like to part with in SOUTH AUSTRALIA, or if you can organise fair price shipping to South Australia, please drop me a line. My exsisting tapestock is only betacam so an SP machine would be wasted on me...
I found out what the S means: The machines has an extra PCB inside, and writes a special timetrack (when connected properly,since it needed to connected to a 12V) for Film (SMPTE) timecode. The BVV-5PS has been superceeded by the newer version of the BVV-5 docking station wich allowed it to be given any needed time code. I remember i once saw some JVC SECAM U-matics at a local station in paris. I once was at a TV-station in Guingamp in France where the gathering and editing was done with PAL, the signal was converted to SECAM in the end processing. The postproduction units had a special preview plug in on their avid to see the result as being SECAM. The guy over their in charge , told me he disliked the modulation of SECAM and said that PAL was better due to its better color noise to picture ratio.
Hi All -
Walter - It might be too obvious to be the correct answer but most equipment I've come across with an 'S' in the model number has been SECAM switchable/compatible.
Rajesh - Take a look around the back of the machines, is the REFERENCE output on the U-matic plugged to the REFERENCE input on the Beta machine? If it is not then the picture from the Beta will have a black line across it that will gradually rise up the screen before reappearing again at the bottom, this is because the machine has no sync to lock to.
If the U-matic feeding the Beta is an older model it probably won't have a reference output. If this is the case most Beta decks will have a loop-through on the composite input, you can plug the output of the composite input loop back into the reference input, essentially self-sycing the machine.
I'm not sure of your situation but with a drum of good quality 75ohm coax you could wire your DC30 up to a remote Beta machine easily (analogue video and audio signals can go for up to a hundred or more metres without real problems) and via one of the serial ports on your PC the Beta machine can be remotely controlled with some reasonably cheap software. Going straight to the Beta would give you far higher quality than bouncing it of U-matic.
Failing that do what I used to, befriend someone who doesn't mind lending you their Beta machine :-)
I got one setup consisting of one U-matic and one non linear system(miro dc30). i work on Pal system. Actually we dont have any Beta uvw palayer recorder available nearby. So we first edit on nonlinear and then transfer it to U-matic 9850 then we carry that tape to the studio where one beta recorder is available. The problem is that the picture does not hold over ther and we could not get Umatic- beta transfer.We tried out on many beta machine but could not succed.
Does anyone know whats the main difference between the BVV5AP and the BVV5AP-S?, i've used them both on various cameras (Including DXC 327,HL-55a and Z-one-C). But never figered out what the main difference was between the both. I saw that the S model worked best (it had the newest drum). Also does anyone know why a Crystal DMV970a Audio DSP (As used in Behringer audio limiters and Allan And Heath mixers) gets stressed when used with a HDCAM's AES/EBU digital outputs (with and without the clock signal)?. I know it are a bit of X-files questions but i hope someone could help me with them.
Sony BVW-20 NTSC (betacam field player-no sp) £100.
Oh almost forgot. I recently bought a Sony DCR DVX-2000 if you're planning on going DV its the best for the job!
I also dislike the rendering time, i myself have been also been nosing around for a DV500. Since i've got a new PC (Pentium III, with 128 Megs and a set of 2 big 20 gig 7200 RPM discs) the rendering time has been cut in half, but still is way to long. How i wish i had the boss his Avid Symphony at home :-)...
Hi there Walter,
Up until a few months ago I had a DC50 - cracking good card but the rendering got to be insane, I once had to wait for eight hours on one graphics sequence so I sold it. I've been looking at the DV500 myself, looks like one hell of card! I use an IBM M-Pro running Discreet edit* on Digisuite LE at work, cutting corporate videos. But I'm saving up my pay to get my own M-Pro with a DV500 in it to work on some personal sell-thru video programmes I've been planning. All day in an edit suite, a quick break for some beans on toast then working in another suite through the night - can't think of anything better!
Adobe Premiere is included with Miro's DV500 package. The DV500 costsaround a 1000 U$, and can handle both DV-Firewire and Anologue (S-Plug) video. I myself have a DC30 (wich is an analogue only) butworks great with Betacam and U-matic.
The exchange rate usually floats around $1.50 to the pound. I'm not really sure what you were considering a Beta for, are you in the biz or thinking of going into it.... or did you think one would just look good under your telly :-)
But yeah, Beta is a damned expensive format for what it does and to be honest I certainly wouldn't buy one new (I'm in the lucky position of working for a video company that doesn't mind me borrowing their UVW-1400 at weekends). Once you put about five or six hundred hours on the drum the pictures begin to get pretty grotty and you can get a lot of tearing on peak whites. I'd only recommend Beta for someone with a lot of material already on the format or someone tied to a client who demands it. There are many far better and cheaper alternatives.
If you're on a fairly tight budget then MiniDV or DVCam may still be a possible option - there are several semi-pro palmcorders that have near broadcast specs. Some of the better ones have external inputs on them that allow you to use them as digital video recorders as well as camcorders, an all-in-one solution. I've recently been looking at the Sony DSR-PD100 DVCam palmcorder, it's still pricey at almost two grand with all the accessories but for what it does you get a lot of bangs for you bucks!
If you're on an even tighter budget than that take a look at BVU (Broadcast Video U-matic) you can find out more about it on the U-matic page of PALsite. Even though it's pretty much obsolete in the UK it still conforms to your broadcast standards and a well lined up machine using new tapes should provide very pleasing pictures (I'd say the pictures were about double the quality of S-VHS). There are literally HUNDREDS of U-matics on offer at Ebay - and they're very cheap, we're talking from double-figures upwards! I was recently given a player for free! You can get an old camera, a portable recorder and a couple of edit machines for just a few hundred dollars. If you've got the cash to add a little more 'oomph' to your computer then you can get a video capture card and an application like Adobe Premiere and you're in business, a total video production company on your desktop! There's the additional benefit that non-linear editing prevents the generation loss associated with editing from one tape to another so the pictures remain at almost the quality you shot them. Also, almost every broadcaster and production company has a U-matic sitting in a cupboard somewhere so even though it's an elderly format you'll find very few companies who can't accept material on it. If you go down the U-matic route there's lots of help available on the U-matic chat page.
Yes,it is of some help. Could you tell me how many American dollars equal a pound? *sigh. No offense taken,but that's why you guys have the best in everything. No offense to you,but we Americans like to use things more than once..... we like to get the most for our money. How are the gas prices? I hear they're quite expensive...I would gladly have us paying $4.99 a gallon for REGULAR unleaded because people here don't know how to conserve....they need to be taught a very expensive lesson (besides running out of oil). They drive these big SUVs and heavy cars and expect them to get the gas mileage of a Ford Pinto or other small car...if only it was that easy. Well,thanx for your input,I am now more depressed than ever before because I can never get a NEW Betacam,and if I ever do get a USED one,it will surely have been driven into the ground by the meanies at the local TV station. :)
Sunday 29th August 1999
7:34 pm U.K. ¶
Despite being a fairly old format now (developed in the mid-80s) Betacam machines still command pretty high prices. I would imagine that they are even more expensive in your part of the world where, if you don't mind me saying, much equipment we've since abandoned in the UK is still regarded as broadcast standard. But remember there are two variations of the format - standard (oxide) and SP (metal) which are only semi-compatible, with SP being by far the more widely used and more expensive.
Anyway here's a rough guide of what most people would be willing to pay for USED Betacam / Beta SP kit over here (in UK pounds):
BVW oxide series (BVW10 to BVW40, except BVW35): 150 - 800 UVW series (industrial grade) Beta SP players: 1000 - 1500UVW series (industrial grade) Beta SP recorders: 1500 - 2500PVW series (professional grade) Beta SP players: 2500 - 3500PVW series (professional grade) Beta SP recorders: 3500 - 5500BVW series (broadcast grade) Beta SP players: 1000 - 3500BVW series (broadcast grade) Beta SP recorders: 4500 - 9500
There are loads of places on the net that list used equipment and there's used kit listings in the back of almost every trade mag. A lot of the machines will be getting-on a bit and the BVW series especially will probably have been heavily used in a broadcast environment (and a new drum for a BVW is VERY expensive!) If you definitely have to work on Betacam then it's worth considering a new UVW deck - they're basic player/recorders but the image quality is the same as a BVW.
On the other hand if you're not tied to using Beta then definitely take a look at the various industrial digital formats on offer like DVC-PRO or DVCam. They'll far outperform Beta (no noise and no glitches) at a fraction of the cost. A Sony DSR-20P costs 1800 over here and it's exceptionally high quality.
Hope this is of some help.
Sunday 29th August 1999
5:22 pm U.K. ¶
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A GENTLY USED BETACAM (NTSC) CHEAP????????? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THEY COST,AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW!!! Anyway,the site is GREAT! How about doing one for the NTSC side (those of us to the left of the Atlantic would like a site as comprehensive as this :)! )
Wednesday 25th August 1999
8:44 pm U.K. ¶
'Ello there! Does anyone know why large size oxide Beta tapes are in production when the original Betacam machines can only take the small size tapes?
P.S. Great addition to the site! I don't suppose a section devoted to one-inch is going to grace Palsite sometime in the future???? Keep up the good work. Thanks :-)
Wednesday 25th August 1999
11:06 am U.K. ¶
don't know quite how you managed to post here before the site went live officially but I very much hope that you and all future visitors will find something worthwhile in Betacam PALsite.
Wednesday 25th August 1999
7:07 am U.K. ¶
I dislike the BVW 50 to, i think a Ikegami HL-V55 with a playback adaptor works way better. Anyway this site is great!
Klaus G Carstens
Sunday 18th July 1999
10:08 pm U.K. ¶
Problem:The BVW 50 (Portable Recorder/Player) in my Laguage called Kofferradio is the even worst ever build Betacammachine,Poor plastk machinereie wich should handle large cassettes.now I have such a blaster to do service on. The propblem : In Playback a zone of dropouts appear in aboout a 1/3 of Picture height obout 2 lines , Headdrum and all this stuff had been replacead, but the simtom still occures, it comes after about 2 hours of operation,does someone know the answer Thanks Klaus