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Steve Woodgate
Sunday 3rd October 1999
1:01 pm U.K.

Steve@SVITV.co.uk

Hi Tom,CEL are still in business (albeit taken over) but I cannot remember who by, all I do know is that a PSU for the next version of the 147-20 was over 300-00p, all that for a switch mode 5/12 v unit!!and manuals are like rocking horse....

Tom Mountford
Saturday 2nd October 1999
6:49 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Evenin' Walter!

I was playing through some tapes last night and the entire servo system collapsed, drum speeding up out of control, thought the old think was going to kill itself! My priority at the moment is saving up for the new NLE and camera so I'm going to leave the BVW sitting up the corner until I've got the cash for an overhaul. When it was working though the playback was ever bit as good as the UVW-1400 I use at work so I'm keen to get it back in good health again.

JSP - CEL Electronics are a UK company (I'm not sure if they're still in business) who made timebase correctors, framestores, DVEs and the like throughout the eighties. The kit was pretty advanced stuff in its day - in particular the CEL P152 was a DVE operated via a touch-screen with effects saved on floppies and the capability to use a desktop PC as a framestore. All pretty cool stuff fifteen years ago. The unit I've got (the P147-20) is a simple framestore with mosaic, strobe and a few colour effects. It's a very cheap-looking 4U cream rack case with a few knobs on the front and an opening panel to get to the cards inside.

Walter Steenvoorden
Saturday 2nd October 1999
2:31 pm U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I know the BVP-10P model,nice freebie!, i have worked with the BVW-65. I had to replace a PCB once to get the jog/shuttle straightend out. Not only because it had problems,it also was destend for an upgrade from Sony.(It ate my primetime ENG edit) Luckely i had a backup destinated for archive wich i got edited with an extra hired BVW75 machine. The problem with most old Betacam SP machines (i.e. 1984 to 1991 BVW) is that when used for editing the tape path wheels get erosed when exposed to heavy use. Especially the part wich spins the tape around the drum, and the mechanism used for dynamic tracking.

B2
Saturday 2nd October 1999
9:01 am U.K.

betahifi@bigpond.com

Hi! for the uneducated, all I collect is betaMAX + umat and drool over betaCAM, http://users.bigpond.com/jsparkin/

what on earth is this 1982-84 CEL 147-20 thing your talking about?

JSP

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 29th September 1999
9:34 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hello, I've got around to trying out the CEL P147-20

The old antique (manufactured 1982/84) really is very ill, I'm getting terrible white tearing off everything in the picture, especially on blues. When I put 75% bars through it the blue vanished altogether in white tears and the yellow was streaked to the left totally obliterating the white bar. Most of the panel buttons are jammed and the knobs go all the way past their stopping points. The effects are pretty laughable by today's standards - strobe, posterise, mosaic and a few colour effects. Inside there are six rack cards of RAM for the storing one single frame! Remarkable how far technology's come in the past twenty-odd years! If the black-burst's still working I'll hide it under the desk and just use it for that.

With regards the BVW-10P all the functions work perfectly when I use Betacam tapes (very good quality playback and no sparklies). SP plays acceptably (with sparklies) but the jog-shuttle doesn't work and the tape got torn off the reel when I rewound it. The thought struck me that oxide tapes have a clear plastic leader and SPs have a metal strip for leader. Could the machine have only 'semi-modified' so that although it can do straight playback of SP it only has the optical servo system for oxide and not the magnetic one needed to control SP transport? Hmmmmmmm????

P.S. Steve, thanks for the mail - there's nothing wrong with your PC, I got all three.

Tom Mountford
Tuesday 28th September 1999
6:57 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi everyone, well hi everyone who's not at the U-matic page...

I'm a happy little bunny today! Leon, the editor before me popped into the office today to have one last look around the first place he worked, he's off to live in Holland on Saturday. As a result there was some equipment he can't take with him, knew I collected the stuff and thought I could give it a good home - could I ever!!!!

In the boot of his car he had a CEL P147-20 framestore and an SP modified Sony BVW-10 to give to me! The CEL has had its ceramic insulated BNC input smashed off so I haven't got around to checking it yet. The BVW-10 produces an absolutely perfect picture off both oxide and metal tape, minus the fairly bad white sparklies (upper drum last replaced in 1992!) The problem is, as Leon said, the servos are knackered so the jog shuttle doesn't work and the machine doesn't sense the tape-end so shredded my test tape. Can anyone explain how to fix the servos, I have a fair bit of technical knowledge, or is it really a job for a proper service engineer? Anyone know how much it would cost? - Not that I mind paying a little bit to get a totally free Beta SP player fixed!

P.S. The two fans on the back aren't working, is it most likely they've burned out after so many years running or could they have fused somewhere? All the internal light bulbs are dead, where can I get they right replacements with the little rubber holders for clipping them into the machine from?

P.P.S. Did the CEL P147-20 have an external control panel as it's got two multipin sockets on the back that look right for that purpose. Also can I use the CEL as a standalone black-burst generator for my Discreet edit* system?

Thanks very much!

James Burch
Saturday 25th September 1999
8:21 pm U.K.

James@venturatv.co.uk

Wanted BK-15P sp mod kit for BVW-15P.

Tom Mountford
Sunday 19th September 1999
6:24 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

JSP - The London Repair Centre (LRC) who are the sponsors of this site sell reconditioned Betacam kit and I think they do quite a lot of shipping worldwide.

JSP
Sunday 19th September 1999
1:09 pm U.K.

umatic@bigpond.com

here I am wishing I guess

If anyone has any older "cheap" betacam recorders they would like to part with in SOUTH AUSTRALIA, or if you can organise fair price shipping to South Australia, please drop me a line. My exsisting tapestock is only betacam so an SP machine would be wasted on me...

JSP

Walter Steenvoorden
Saturday 18th September 1999
10:56 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I found out what the S means: The machines has an extra PCB inside, and writes a special timetrack (when connected properly,since it needed to connected to a 12V) for Film (SMPTE) timecode. The BVV-5PS has been superceeded by the newer version of the BVV-5 docking station wich allowed it to be given any needed time code. I remember i once saw some JVC SECAM U-matics at a local station in paris. I once was at a TV-station in Guingamp in France where the gathering and editing was done with PAL, the signal was converted to SECAM in the end processing. The postproduction units had a special preview plug in on their avid to see the result as being SECAM. The guy over their in charge , told me he disliked the modulation of SECAM and said that PAL was better due to its better color noise to picture ratio.

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 15th September 1999
9:09 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi All -

Walter - It might be too obvious to be the correct answer but most equipment I've come across with an 'S' in the model number has been SECAM switchable/compatible.

Rajesh - Take a look around the back of the machines, is the REFERENCE output on the U-matic plugged to the REFERENCE input on the Beta machine? If it is not then the picture from the Beta will have a black line across it that will gradually rise up the screen before reappearing again at the bottom, this is because the machine has no sync to lock to.

If the U-matic feeding the Beta is an older model it probably won't have a reference output. If this is the case most Beta decks will have a loop-through on the composite input, you can plug the output of the composite input loop back into the reference input, essentially self-sycing the machine.

I'm not sure of your situation but with a drum of good quality 75ohm coax you could wire your DC30 up to a remote Beta machine easily (analogue video and audio signals can go for up to a hundred or more metres without real problems) and via one of the serial ports on your PC the Beta machine can be remotely controlled with some reasonably cheap software. Going straight to the Beta would give you far higher quality than bouncing it of U-matic.

Failing that do what I used to, befriend someone who doesn't mind lending you their Beta machine :-)

Rajesh Ranajn
Wednesday 15th September 1999
4:40 am U.K.

videocraft@hotmail.com

I got one setup consisting of one U-matic and one non linear system(miro dc30). i work on Pal system. Actually we dont have any Beta uvw palayer recorder available nearby. So we first edit on nonlinear and then transfer it to U-matic 9850 then we carry that tape to the studio where one beta recorder is available. The problem is that the picture does not hold over ther and we could not get Umatic- beta transfer.We tried out on many beta machine but could not succed.

Walter Steenvoorden
Tuesday 14th September 1999
11:57 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Does anyone know whats the main difference between the BVV5AP and the BVV5AP-S?, i've used them both on various cameras (Including DXC 327,HL-55a and Z-one-C). But never figered out what the main difference was between the both. I saw that the S model worked best (it had the newest drum). Also does anyone know why a Crystal DMV970a Audio DSP (As used in Behringer audio limiters and Allan And Heath mixers) gets stressed when used with a HDCAM's AES/EBU digital outputs (with and without the clock signal)?. I know it are a bit of X-files questions but i hope someone could help me with them.

James Burch
Saturday 11th September 1999
8:28 pm U.K.

James@venturatv.co.uk

Sony BVW-20 NTSC (betacam field player-no sp) 100.

Walter Steenvoorden
Sunday 5th September 1999
12:10 pm U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Oh almost forgot. I recently bought a Sony DCR DVX-2000 if you're planning on going DV its the best for the job!

Walter Steenvoorden
Sunday 5th September 1999
12:08 pm U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

I also dislike the rendering time, i myself have been also been nosing around for a DV500. Since i've got a new PC (Pentium III, with 128 Megs and a set of 2 big 20 gig 7200 RPM discs) the rendering time has been cut in half, but still is way to long. How i wish i had the boss his Avid Symphony at home :-)...

Tom Mountford
Thursday 2nd September 1999
8:27 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi there Walter,

Up until a few months ago I had a DC50 - cracking good card but the rendering got to be insane, I once had to wait for eight hours on one graphics sequence so I sold it. I've been looking at the DV500 myself, looks like one hell of card! I use an IBM M-Pro running Discreet edit* on Digisuite LE at work, cutting corporate videos. But I'm saving up my pay to get my own M-Pro with a DV500 in it to work on some personal sell-thru video programmes I've been planning. All day in an edit suite, a quick break for some beans on toast then working in another suite through the night - can't think of anything better!

Walter Steenvoorden
Thursday 2nd September 1999
8:44 am U.K.

waltersn@zonnet.nl

Adobe Premiere is included with Miro's DV500 package. The DV500 costsaround a 1000 U$, and can handle both DV-Firewire and Anologue (S-Plug) video. I myself have a DC30 (wich is an analogue only) butworks great with Betacam and U-matic.

Tom Mountford
Wednesday 1st September 1999
9:57 pm U.K.

tom.mountford@talk21.com

Hi Jesse,

The exchange rate usually floats around $1.50 to the pound. I'm not really sure what you were considering a Beta for, are you in the biz or thinking of going into it.... or did you think one would just look good under your telly :-)

But yeah, Beta is a damned expensive format for what it does and to be honest I certainly wouldn't buy one new (I'm in the lucky position of working for a video company that doesn't mind me borrowing their UVW-1400 at weekends). Once you put about five or six hundred hours on the drum the pictures begin to get pretty grotty and you can get a lot of tearing on peak whites. I'd only recommend Beta for someone with a lot of material already on the format or someone tied to a client who demands it. There are many far better and cheaper alternatives.

If you're on a fairly tight budget then MiniDV or DVCam may still be a possible option - there are several semi-pro palmcorders that have near broadcast specs. Some of the better ones have external inputs on them that allow you to use them as digital video recorders as well as camcorders, an all-in-one solution. I've recently been looking at the Sony DSR-PD100 DVCam palmcorder, it's still pricey at almost two grand with all the accessories but for what it does you get a lot of bangs for you bucks!

If you're on an even tighter budget than that take a look at BVU (Broadcast Video U-matic) you can find out more about it on the U-matic page of PALsite. Even though it's pretty much obsolete in the UK it still conforms to your broadcast standards and a well lined up machine using new tapes should provide very pleasing pictures (I'd say the pictures were about double the quality of S-VHS). There are literally HUNDREDS of U-matics on offer at Ebay - and they're very cheap, we're talking from double-figures upwards! I was recently given a player for free! You can get an old camera, a portable recorder and a couple of edit machines for just a few hundred dollars. If you've got the cash to add a little more 'oomph' to your computer then you can get a video capture card and an application like Adobe Premiere and you're in business, a total video production company on your desktop! There's the additional benefit that non-linear editing prevents the generation loss associated with editing from one tape to another so the pictures remain at almost the quality you shot them. Also, almost every broadcaster and production company has a U-matic sitting in a cupboard somewhere so even though it's an elderly format you'll find very few companies who can't accept material on it. If you go down the U-matic route there's lots of help available on the U-matic chat page.

Jesse Alonzo
Wednesday 1st September 1999
12:44 pm U.K.

latinopikachu@yahoo.com

Yes,it is of some help. Could you tell me how many American dollars equal a pound? *sigh. No offense taken,but that's why you guys have the best in everything. No offense to you,but we Americans like to use things more than once..... we like to get the most for our money. How are the gas prices? I hear they're quite expensive...I would gladly have us paying $4.99 a gallon for REGULAR unleaded because people here don't know how to conserve....they need to be taught a very expensive lesson (besides running out of oil). They drive these big SUVs and heavy cars and expect them to get the gas mileage of a Ford Pinto or other small car...if only it was that easy. Well,thanx for your input,I am now more depressed than ever before because I can never get a NEW Betacam,and if I ever do get a USED one,it will surely have been driven into the ground by the meanies at the local TV station. :)

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