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Wednesday 26th April 2017

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Sean Meskill
Monday 9th December 2002
9:09 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Likewise Mr. (?) Madness! I'm happy since I just scored a 16" monitor to go with my G3! I ahve to get him hooked up and see what it was he did in life. The monitor has Apple Desktop Bus ports on it... what are they for??? No news on the betamax front, however.

Madness
Monday 9th December 2002
7:08 pm U.K.

madness@somethingorother.com

Hey and Happy MoAnday folx! :) I just got back w/ a nice little item. My buddy, an engineer at a local indy-turned-PAX TV station (who's hooked me up w/ scores of betacam tapes) called me earlier today. He told me the station was selling a Sanyo VCR7300! Yannow, that beta-hifi portable that looks more like a boombox? Apparently, they were still using it for on-the-spot audio recording! They moved over to something new and I snagged the Sanyo. Done a bit of messing w/ it and it works fine (was well-maintained by the station I assume). But it looks kinda funny sitting vertically on top of the TV. Is it 'sposed to be that way (for anyone else who may have one)? Kind of a lucky find, thanks to my bud! :)

Sean Meskill
Monday 9th December 2002
2:19 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

My Mavicam is high-rez NTSC television photos. 50 to a disk in field, 25 in frame mode. Look here for the whole story:

http://www.digicamhistory.com/Index.html

The pictures from one of those floppy disks can be put on a PC with a rare enough reader or simply dumped to the NTSC input of a PC or Mac with A/V.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Monday 9th December 2002
11:39 am U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

We have a "spare" 1.2Mpixel Mavica floppycam here we may be interested in letting go for a reasonable price, since we got Cybershot now. The Mavica does jpeg, up to 1024x9something resolution and has a few trick effects (solarization, b/w, sepiatone, etc.) and records on standard floppies. I beleive they format to DOS.

Olive E Thomas
Monday 9th December 2002
10:38 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

You'll have to let us know if those old Mavicas used the JPEG file format or some oddball format almost nobody has a translater for...

Do you need the disc player or can you hook the camera to a PC (or Mac?)?

And can you still get fresh media for them?

Just when did those cameras you got come out anyway? I have an old Life special edition from the '80s that featured the first a preview generation of digital floppycams. It's interesting to see how far we've come so fast. The camera cost $5000 bux had a 600,000 pixel resolution with the discs cost $10 bux apiece (25 to 50 pix per disc). In the article you see the photgarpher uploading the pix back to his editor on a 'portable' player unit hooked up to one of those 'ye olde' acoustic coupler modems. (oldtimers will remember them as the ones you had to attach to the the telephone handset - it would make a sound that the handset mic would pick up...).

A Casio ad for their digital floppy cam noted that you could hook the thing to your TV when you wanted to view them.

A couple years ago I got one of those cheapie IXLA cameras that had half the pixelage and with a 2MB fixed flash memory (16 too 32 pix) for $120 bux. The pictures are marginal but usable and I can hook the camera to my creaky old mid '90s Mac.

Johnjas Hedrick
Monday 9th December 2002
5:00 am U.K.

mackngboro@aol.com

Nevermind. please do not e-mail me. you will not get a response.Thank you.

Johnjas Hedrick
Monday 9th December 2002
4:40 am U.K.

mackngboro@aol.com

I am looking for a betamax vcr in working condition. If you have an available betamax, please e-mail me at mackngboro@aol.com. Thank you.

Sean Meskill
Monday 9th December 2002
4:22 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943920609

Something to drool over.

Sean Meskill
Monday 9th December 2002
4:19 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

I know. I'll keep my eyes open for you. __@_oo

Franny Wentzel
Monday 9th December 2002
3:35 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

_@_v-eeeeeee! I want one of those Mavicams! Looks like a pro 35mm!

Sean Meskill
Monday 9th December 2002
3:08 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Scored two interresting pieces of Sony Technology:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21168&item=1942770786&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3339&item=802814343&rd=1

These are a completely different animal from digital cameras and I'll post info on my Web Page when they come.

Jesse Alonzo
Monday 9th December 2002
2:51 am U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

I don't have a Tinytron, sadly... :(

Jesse Alonzo
Monday 9th December 2002
2:51 am U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

Hey Sean about the GE3, you can use the s-video and composite video out ports as a monitor, except you have to select it in the Monitors control panel. You can also get a PC-Mac monitor adaptor (connects PC monitor to a Mac). I think I may have a spare one lying around. About the "Minitron," that is the pet name I have for my 1976 Trinitron, because it is so small, a 13" one. The "Tinytron" is that piccy of the rack-mountable monitor that Olive posted. Nope, the monitor I saw at the "flee market" was a Sony PVM series, the PVM-2030 if ebay serves correctly. They call it the "cube." They wanted $20 for it, but it is very heavy and looked like it had been mowed around, there were bits of grass clipping all around its vents. I like it because it's like the smaller ones at Disney store that have that lite up indicator on the side!!!

Franny Wentzel
Monday 9th December 2002
1:27 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Well looks like somebody salted the Snail in last minute bidding for that SL-HF 600. And he'd only put in a $93 bid or so. Too bad it's going to another Snail though. This snail (abatuf) seems to deal mainly in 8mm equipment; must've decided to branch out into Beta...

Franny Wentzel
Monday 9th December 2002
1:05 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

You have less than 15 minutes to beat the Snail for an SL-HF 600 (hint if you bid $150 you'll prolly beat his limit)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15099&item=1942747757

Troy
Sunday 8th December 2002
11:27 pm U.K.

ac_dc_rocks@hotmail.com

Hi Australian Beta fans. I was wondering if any of you's have or know of anyone who has any early episodes of the Aussie pop show "Countdown" on Beta cassette or other early formats like Philips VCR format or reel-reel video or National video cartridge format? If anyone does, could you's please contact me at ac_dc_rocks@hotmail.com because I'm interested in buying the tapes or buy a VHS copy of the tapes if you's prefer to keep them. I've also put up a search for lost Countdowns website which is at http://web.1earth.net/~funkydud/ . Basically most of the episodes from pre-1978 have been wiped and I want to recover old episodes from early home recordings. My favourite Countdown era is from 1974-1977 but I'm still interested in the late 70's and 80's Countdowns on home video recordings too. I do have a 1982 Sanyo Betacord VTC-5000 but it doesn't work as the heads are stuffed but I'm getting a Beta Hifi professional machine soon anyway. I've also got two ancient 1970's Philips VCRs that use VCR cassettes with one spool stacked on top of the other, one is an early 1970's N1500 and the other is a N1700 both have faults but work enough to play VCR tapes and I've transferred a number of them to VHS. And I'm constantly looking for more and more VCR tapes so if anybody's got any please email me.

Cheers

Troy

Olive E Thomas
Sunday 8th December 2002
10:20 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

NEC Betamie for you Aussies...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944158359

BM-11EG clone of Sony's BMC-110 - $30 Aussiebux.

streetwulf
Sunday 8th December 2002
7:00 pm U.K.

graham@streetwulf.co.uk

I have a non working SL-8080 which refuses to go on and will not lace up tape. I am looking for a donor/working machine or will swap for PYE vr20v22 V2000 in good working order. 02088555580 LONDON

Madness
Sunday 8th December 2002
6:19 pm U.K.

madness@somethingorother.com

Talking about monitors, I used to have a Sony KV-25XBR. It was a 25" TV/Monitor, circa mid 80's. Was a perfect companion to the beta decks at the time. And it had this weird 34-pin connector on the rear marked "RGB" that looked sorta like the floppy one on a motherboard. Sadly, the TV died (tube blew) and we replaced it w/ a 27" WEGA.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Sunday 8th December 2002
1:06 pm U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Jesse:

How much you want for your Minitron?? Looks like just what I need for my inhouse cable system video monitor. The 21" that I have is just way too huge.. (@)(@)

Phil
Sunday 8th December 2002
2:12 am U.K.

H2oskiphil@aolnospam.com

Jesse-

The Sony monitor you saw was the first XBR, if memory serves me correctly. The speakers were color coded to the frame color and attached to the sides of the monitor frame. I think the model # was KV-27XBR.

If you can still get your hands on it, I'd be interested in it-they don't get much better than that one. How much did they want for it?

Sean Meskill
Sunday 8th December 2002
1:01 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Two questions for the MAC people here... I picked up a Power PC G3 and an empty chassis with the AV ins and outs, but I have no mac monitors. do the video outputs output by default or I have to activate them, neccesitating a monitor? Also, can I just plug the card with the ins and outs onto the G3 maiboard or one of its subsidiaries? and can I use this MAC memeory in a PC? it it the long chips... I have 19 sticks of MAC memory, some of them are 16 MB from "big blue" and others have no label... anyone want some?

Mad Beta Collector
Sunday 8th December 2002
12:51 am U.K.

Prshuttleworth@hotmail.com

I own a Sony KX-14CP1 Trinicon Video Monitor (with internal speaker)There was a american model on 'Richie Rich' and an english model on Tomorrow's world during the late 80sInteresting.

Mad Beta Collector
Sunday 8th December 2002
12:48 am U.K.

Prshuttleworth@hotmail.com

I own a Sony Sony KX-14CP1

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 8th December 2002
12:35 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_694070c8a19812d2272abcd2935c4c2c/i-1_B.JPG

_@_╝╝-this 'minitron'?

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
11:57 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Yes, we'd like to see a picture!

Brenda Ann Dyer
Saturday 7th December 2002
11:56 pm U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Jesse,

What's a Minitron???

Andy W.
Saturday 7th December 2002
11:04 pm U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Even though the word "Since" was accidentally included as part of the link (That last post should read ...since this EDV-7500...)The link still seems to work.

Andy W.
Saturday 7th December 2002
11:01 pm U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Well, here's your chance for an ED Beta...if you've got an extra $1100 lying around.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942726622Since this EDV-7500 has S-Video inputs I'm sure the 9500 does too.

Jesse Alonzo
Saturday 7th December 2002
10:36 pm U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

Someday I WILL own an SL-HF1000 and EDV-9500 and an EDC-55. I would really enjoy unwrapping a brand new beta fresh from Japan and plugging it into my DVD player and not being able to tell difference between DVD and tape. Does the EDV-9500 have a S-video in? I saw a really cool Sony video monitor at the "flee market." It had that cool display thingy on the side! Let me explain, it's like the Service Engine Soon lamp on your car's dashboard, you can't see it until it lights up. It's a row of lights like that and they lite up, they say things like S-VIDEO 1, LINE IN, etc. http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_cfbe47cddd79bd47d3cc0a7d2fea47f7/i-1.JPG this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is it! it had no speakers... it is a cool monitor! too bad I didnt buy it, I have no place to put it! Anyone intersted in my Minitron?

Jesse Alonzo
Saturday 7th December 2002
10:28 pm U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

eeeeeee! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944015392 betamie brochure... hee hee hee

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
10:04 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

I love the description. I wish I had an ED-Beta machine.

Olive E Thomas
Saturday 7th December 2002
9:47 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Anyone with an ED Beta VCR will want this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1977620386

The ED Beta Demo tape. "MrBetamax" has already bid $10 on it...

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
9:23 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Yes, the linear audio on most decks will do that, I have older open-reel decks that do that.

Casimir Alonso TaulÚ
Saturday 7th December 2002
8:15 pm U.K.

casimir_alonso_taule@hotmail.com

Hi to all!Sorry for disappearing but I couldn't find the address of the other chat you made. I also wanted to tell that I put a vhs oxide cassette (to have a better cassette) on a beta shell and it only read the linear audio and slower. There wasn't even a video image. I erased that tape with other beta recordings.

Regards to all,

Casimir.

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
5:42 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

I'm set for U-matic machines. Before the next semester of college begins I'll have a VO-5850 and two of the VO-2850 which were some of the most advanced units in there day. I have seen the product demo tape for them, they are really something. I am also getting a TRI edit control and the orriginal Sony edit control. I just need a place to put them, and they are very heavy to ship.

Jesse Alonzo
Saturday 7th December 2002
3:23 pm U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

eep.. probably. Anyways... I missed the u-mie but wasn't particularly angry about it because it was missing its power switch! That poor thing.. I'd rather have the BVU-900mie series u-mie that's sitting all lonely in the offline edit suite they're dismantling at WOAI. It looked so sad, sitting amongst the old Beta SP units (that were powered up, the only not-powered thing besides the monitors was the sad-looking u-mie. :(:( )

Jesse5000
Saturday 7th December 2002
12:47 pm U.K.

newspaperman5000@hotnmail.com

Based on my http://www.betamax.to research, Sony created japanese-language programming for ED Beta decks. Were prerecorded ED Beta tapes created for the American market? And was any programming ever recorded in SuperBeta for sale to the consumer?

Also: My grandparents own a "Zenith Video Director" front-loading vcr that is nearly indentical to the Sony SL-5000. When I loaded a tape (Jane Fonda's Workout) to play, there was a horizontal static bar filling the center 1/4th of the tv screen. Also, the audio had a "waw-waw-waw" feeling, as if somebody was turning the tape speed up and down repeatedly. Could a new set of belts be the solution to this problem?

I thank you all for your knowledge and time.

Stewart
Saturday 7th December 2002
12:23 pm U.K.

bel@dsl.pipex.com

BETAMAX (WEGA) WITH TAPE STACKER FOR AUCTION - PAL - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943846709

joel schwartz
Saturday 7th December 2002
11:28 am U.K.

joedisco@aol.com

sean- circuit city sells svhs 120's as low as 3.99. tapeworld.com and smilephotovideo.com sell svhs 120's for 3.99 - 4.99 and beta 750hg's for 2.99 - 4.49.

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
4:39 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

I agree, Franny. There was a Hi8 deck that looked EXACTLY like an SL-HF-1000. If anyone sees one, let me know. it would make a nice companion to a 1000.

Franny Wentzel
Saturday 7th December 2002
3:34 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

I hate that that Lled person always sticks his name all over the pix he loads. heaven forbid someone might want to download a piccy...

And I'm sure he probably steals everyone elses stuff online...

The people who "know their rights" and guard them to the minutia are always the most blithe about trampling on others...

Andy W.
Saturday 7th December 2002
3:03 am U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1941897071Without the jog/shuttle dial on the unit, this would look just like a Hi8 version of the SL-HF750

Franny Wentzel
Saturday 7th December 2002
2:56 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

I think the 'proper' term is a "U-mie" (you-me)?

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
1:40 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Still got time to snag the '-Matic-mie

Sean

Jesse Alonzo
Saturday 7th December 2002
1:29 am U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

eeeeeeee!!!! _@_** I saw one of those fan-thingies at GEoodwill! finally got back from my idiot retreat. ...... ugh! I missed my betas!

Sean Meskill
Saturday 7th December 2002
1:28 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Well Jesse had to go away, wish he could be here for this!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942312392

Olive E Thomas
Friday 6th December 2002
11:44 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

I haven't seen the "system-saver" side fan for the Apple IIe (except in old computer books) but I used to have a Mac Plus with a fan and extra plug that mounted on top of the unit. It also had a power switch.

PAL and NTSC are broadcast televsion system formats not tape formats. You can't pop an NTSC recorded tape from one tape shell to a shell that used to hold a PAL tape and expect it to magically be able to play in PAL any more than poping a Beta tape into a VHS shell will make the Beta tape 'speak' in VHS..

Sean Meskill
Friday 6th December 2002
10:48 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Look out, here comes the hurricane.

tiger san archives
Friday 6th December 2002
10:33 pm U.K.

catslairarchives@yahoo.com

what is the difference between NTSC beta and PAL vhs? i ask because i am wondering if it might be possible to put a PAL tape into a beta shel so i can watch it. other than that, if anyone in the list is able to copy from PAL vhs to any NTSC format (vhs or beta) please contact me as swiftly as possible. thanks!

Sean Meskill
Friday 6th December 2002
10:21 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Ah, I've always wanted one of those. rediculously expensive. Hey Olive have you ever seen the little fan that went on the side of the Apple II to cool it and it provided extra outlets? I've got one.

Sean

Madness
Friday 6th December 2002
8:45 pm U.K.

madness@somethingorother.com

Hey Olive, I got one of those Elcaset decks - Sony EL-7 3-head. Their great idea of combining the quality of ╝" reel tape w/ the convenience of a cassette. Great idea, but it was a bit ahead of its time I think. But the tapes are nearly the size (L/W) as a beta tape but a little thinner.

Olive E Thomas
Friday 6th December 2002
7:02 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Here's an interesing though not Beta item...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942554215

TEAC 'Elcaset' format audio recorder. Before this site took a vacation there was some talk about the Elcaset format (That Sony had created) and it's superiority to the Phillips Compact Cassette format. Like Beta it didn't get enough market share and disappeared. Unlike Beta they stopped making media for these a long time ago.

joel schwartz
Friday 6th December 2002
11:21 am U.K.

joedisco@aol.com

my pro-x box claims "super precision vivax magnetic particles[230million particles/sq.mm".also "6.0db reduction in video modulation noise and 2.5 increase in video s/n compared to sony standard grade".pro-x plays and records properly in my 600,900,750,and 2100.

ami
Friday 6th December 2002
6:40 am U.K.

Aivars.Migla@lattelekom.lv

Talking about double VCRs. Some time ago Sony also had manufactured such a machine - two VeHoSys stacked one above another (I have seen one in second hand electronic shop). Maybe later I'll tell the model number. Yesterday I bought a RMT-223 on a flea market. Unfortunately this remote does not control none of my Sony Beta VCRs - SL-C7 and SL-C44PS. So I have to look for SL-HF950 : -/

Franny Wentzel
Friday 6th December 2002
4:45 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Try http://www.replacementremotes.com/goldstar-govideo/ to get a replacement GoVideo remote.

Olive E Thomas
Friday 6th December 2002
3:18 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

_@_v-eee hee hee hee!

Modern Marvels is running an episode on Digital Gadgets - in the segment on TiVos and DVD recorders they mention the Sony Betamax and the Supreme Court case that legalitmized the home VCR. They also showed a couple Beta VCRs including a Zenith KR-9000W and an SL-HF 300 (missing it's flipper door) in the segement as well...

Sean Meskill
Thursday 5th December 2002
9:17 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

it's the side by side, I think the stacked model is a Radio Shack item. Sadly it's not the SVHS model. but it IS nice looking. I have no remote, if someone turns one up I'd be grateful.

Olive E Thomas
Thursday 5th December 2002
9:06 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

was it one of the side-by-side models or the stacked version with one on top of the other? I sorta like the stacked kind. Too bad GoVideo never bothered to make a Beta VHS combo but then they had all sorts of hassles just trying to put out their paired VHS models. They had to sue some Japanese VCR companies for restraint of trade or something like that cause they were blocking access to parts and production plants. Finally they found a Korean company to build VCRs for them...

Sean Meskill
Thursday 5th December 2002
6:10 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Well I'm happy, I pulled one of those "GO-Video" double VCRs out of the dumpster, and, whoo-hoo, it works! one side needs its heads cleaned, that's all. and not even very much. All I need is the remote. Free is the best price for beta and really the only price for VHS.

Olive E Thomas
Thursday 5th December 2002
6:42 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Ouch! that's no way to treat a Beta!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943273940

Olive E Thomas
Wednesday 4th December 2002
11:29 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Laziness or an oversight or they got the SuperBeta technology from Sony sometime in the middle of VCR 4030 production and they figured that as long as they were using the same chassis, why go through the expense of coming up with another model name and/or design? There was a black VCR-4032 variant that was a SuperBeta unit. At least the one model I've seen...

Andy W.
Wednesday 4th December 2002
10:31 pm U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Good eye, Olive. But otherwise the machines are identical...why would Sanyo make two machines identical except for the Super▀eta function and give them the same model number?

Sean Meskill
Wednesday 4th December 2002
5:11 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Metal/Chrome/Oxide thing... I had some of those BASF tapes that said they were chrome, and I wondered if maybe they were for ED beta but I was told that that is just how BASF marketed there tapes. They were awful video tapes, only somewhat better than a scotch. (I heard that scotch put computer tape in video cartriges but later I heard that computer tape is not good for video heads...

As for cleaning heads, there was something called "Green tape" that was, well, green, and used to polish the heads down to spec. it would also clean them very well (8-track head cleaners were made of it) but since it polishes them down it shouldn't be used on any older betamax or Umatic or other rare/endangered systems because we don't want to un-necesarily shorten the lives of out heads, especially the older Umatic machines that had somehting like 1000 head hours only before they were no good, and how many of those hours are on them when we pick them up. NEVER clean heads with cleaning tapes, get the tech to do it or do it yourself, because it takes only a few hours for a cleaning tape to eat up all your heads, a friend of mine was involved in a study of cleaning tapes (Using betamax VCRs no less)... I'll ask him for the results and post later, this is too long allready.

Meter
Wednesday 4th December 2002
4:52 am U.K.

someone@somewhere.org

I have a PRO-X tape in my possession and apart from sporting a full width window as on the latest Sony Betamax tape, its go no difference which would differentiate it from a standard tape.

I state the SL-HF1000 manual which says that "to assure the high quality of the super hi-band recording, use of high-quality tapes such as Sony PRO-X type is recommended." This, however, does not tell more about tape formulation.

I also have a cassette case which is a Betamax PRO (not PRO-X) tape case. It is made of dark grey hard plastic and it has a golden label stating it holds a "professional grade video cassette ideal for master recording". It also has a "Hi-Packing" logo which I remember seeing on Sony SVHS tapes at some point.

I wonder what are the particularities of this PRO tape with regards to PRO-X or HG tapes.

BeefJerky
Wednesday 4th December 2002
4:26 am U.K.

beefjerky@starlynx.com

Jesse:Abrasive and hard are two different things. While the oxide is softer, it's more abrasive (rougher). And, while the metal is harder, it's much smoother and therefore less abrasive. So, running a metal tape is not likely to clean the heads. Really the best way to clean the heads without opening the machine is to just simply take a new blank beta tape and run it for about 10mins. And continue to use it that way if/when the heads get dirty in the future, just don't rewind it, and once it's at the end, discard it. Otherwise, you'll just redeposit the dirt.

Olive E Thomas
Wednesday 4th December 2002
3:58 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

and if you want a VCR-7200 with the flipper door...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943180215

$66 BIN

Olive E Thomas
Wednesday 4th December 2002
3:53 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Sleechalert! Working Sanyo VCR-7200 at only $55 BIN - missing flipper door

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943151549

Olive E Thomas
Wednesday 4th December 2002
3:41 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Look even closer and you'll see that the Betacord VCR-4030 has no SuperBeta switch whereas the SuperBeta VCR-4030 does...

Jesse Alonzo
Wednesday 4th December 2002
3:32 am U.K.

webmaster@wards.com

Well, guys, your posts have been very informative!!!! I've learned a lot, LOL! Brenda whats wrong with Daewoo? I like them and Gold Star. :) We bring good things to VHS, olive :D. I was gonna say, that my Spamsung VeHoS does not record black if disconnected from line, it records that "blank-tape-white-noise." Hmmm. I really like my Spamsung... Will feeding it Betacam SP tape for like two weeks (about 2 1/2 hours each day) have shortened its life? I traded tape in a Vehos shell to a Beta shell so the 300 can have some nice fresh tape. The Spamsung didnt seem to complain as much about the tape as did the 300. Another question, will using SP tape for a few seconds or so clean the heads? Since it's "abrasive" won't it clean them by rubbing off the residue or whatever? I'm going on some dumb retreat in Houston until Friday.. so I won't be able to check the posts. Stay safe and behave, you guys! ____@_** "snail-nanny will watch them!!!"

Andy W.
Wednesday 4th December 2002
2:15 am U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Mine is more like this one.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942529751

Andy W.
Wednesday 4th December 2002
2:09 am U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942519743Strange. If you look at one of the photos you can see that the cassette door on this Sanyo VCR-4030 says "Betacord". Yet I have the exact same model and it says "Super▀eta" on the tape door.

Franny Wentzel
Wednesday 4th December 2002
1:51 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Those tabs are used to indicate the length of tape for Betacam decks. All tabs indicate a BC-20. Left tab missing indicates a BC-30.

Andy W.
Wednesday 4th December 2002
1:48 am U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

I have several PD Magnetics L-750s and a BASF L-750 that say on the box that they are CrO2 Chromium dioxide tapes. They seem to work best in Super▀eta, certainly producing a better picture than normal oxide tapes, but in regular ▀eta they seem to produce more noise in the picture, possibly because they require the higher Super▀eta video frequency to utilize them properly.

Madness
Wednesday 4th December 2002
12:57 am U.K.

madness@somethingorother.com

One other thing came to mind: I would think, logically, that the Pro-X tapes would also have an extra hole (or holes) somewhere on the cassette shell that would tell the VCR that this is, indeed, a Pro-X tape and not a standard one. So, therefore, it might not even be possible to get the machine to record in Pro-X. Unless, Pro-X's have the exact same T-shaped hole on the bottom w/ the three knock-out tabs as all Betacam tapes do. You might be able to trick the machine into thinking it's a Pro-X by removing one or all of those tabs on a Betacam tape. I included a scan-link of an actual Sony Betacam tape-bottom to illustrate: http://members.verizon.net/~madness2/betacam.gif

Madness
Wednesday 4th December 2002
12:14 am U.K.

madness@somethingorother.com

I'm gonna throw in 2ó and take a shot in the dark on Nico's questions. Being on the NTSC side, I don't know much about Pro-X. But is it possible that the tapes are not true metal, but chrome-dioxide? A good analogy in comparing types might be standard audio cassettes, which come in three formulations: Type I (oxide), Type II (chrome) & Type IV (metal). Standard Beta tapes & Betacam oxides are equivelent to Type I; Pro-X (if indeed they are chrome), would be like Type II; and Betacam SP's would be like Type IV. Again, if that's the case, then Betacam SP tapes would definately be a no-no for your 950. Betacam oxide's could certainly be used to record in regular SuperBeta and are thought be the equivelent to SHG Betamax tapes due to their intended pro/broadcast use. You'd most likely want 20- and 30-minute small-shell tapes (exact same size as a regular beta), which are the same exact lengths as L-500 & L-750 tapes, respectively (the others that will also work are 5- & 10-minute, which would be L-125 & L-250, respectively). Word of warning: Be careful, however, as Sony made the 30-minute Betacam's in the LARGE-SHELL size (useless) as well as small.

Franny Wentzel
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
11:53 pm U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

If you want to get rid of those edit 'rainbows' you can record a few seconds of black video (switching your VCR to line in without a video source hooked up) at the point you want to edit. Then when you go to lay the regular video it's treated like blank tapeand most of the rainbow is eliminated.

Andy W.
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
11:28 pm U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Thanks for the advice, BeefJerky. I've heard from some R5 owners who have also mentioned the PSU overheating. One of those little electronics fans from Radio Shack oughta do the trick. My last Ebay purchase (CCD-TRV87 Hi8 cam) took over a month and a half to arrive-the seller didn't even ship it till 5 weeks after the auction even though I paid withing 3 minutes of the auction ending via Paypal. Apparently he did this with other buyers too because his username is now suspended from Ebay. I sure hope this one is quicker because I shot some video with that new cam of the Thanksgiving party, and it contains a section of "floor shot" where a relative of mine who shall remain anonymous left the camcorder running while carrying it around dangling from its shoulder strap. That needs to be edited out before I can give copies of it to family and friends. I'm sick of trying to edit with consumer VCRs without flying erase heads that leave a purple-ish mark that dances across the screen for a few seconds at every edit point. No more of that.

Franny Wentzel
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
8:19 pm U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Of course Betacam Metal tapes can't be used because they put the record tab on the other side of the tapeshell botton leaving an empty hole where the tab normally goes. If you try to record a metal tape your machine will think you're trying to record on a protected tape and react accordingly...

Brenda Ann Dyer
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
8:11 pm U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Sean, Thanks. :)

Nico:

I haven't tried them myself, but many of the regulars here say that the ▀etacam tapes are superior to standard ▀eta tapes, enough so that they will buy even used ▀etacam tapes over new standard tapes.

Nico
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
2:05 pm U.K.

nicolas.zuniga@db.com

Thanx Brenda!

So I understood correctly, exactly as explained in Palsite, only oxide Betacam tapes can be used with our loved consumer Beta machines without a risk to burn the heads. Okay. Now, would it still be an advantage to use oxide Betacam tapes towards standar Beta high grade tapes in the SL-HF 950 at Supebeta PRO-mode? I mean, are Betacam tapes better anyway in magnetic formulation, being conceived for the professional market? I know Betacam obviously runs much faster than plain Beta machines to give a much better quality, but are the tapes (being both oxide) exacly the same or I should note a difference? Anyone has experienced this?

Thanx!!

Sean Meskill
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
2:02 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Brenda:

SLO-1800: If I see one I'll let you know. If I come into one I'll see ab out letting you have it. Of course if my school dumps a whole lot of them, I'll be sure to grab them all and we can have the closest thing to the fabled lost wharehouse since one guy got two whole racks of SL-HF-750s. I have an edit control, for a single machine. I forget the model number.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
12:58 pm U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Oh, forgot the other important factor.. the bias for the oxide heads/tapes will not be adequate for metal tape, so your video response would not be linear (bad picture).

Brenda Ann Dyer
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
12:56 pm U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Nico,

Smoothness of formulation isn't necessarily better. What you are dealing with in oxide vs. metal tape is the HARDNESS of the formulation. Heads designed for oxide tapes are relatively soft. The soft oxide formulation wears down the heads, but not near so quickly as the harder metal formulation (think your car's brakes... the metal is soft, brake pads softer. The pads will wear the smooth metal braking surfaces over time, but if the metal holding the pads contacts the metal braking surface, it wears it very quickly). In other words, the metal tapes being harder than your heads will cause the heads to wear very quickly, regardless of how "smooth" the formulation may be.

Nico
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
12:30 pm U.K.

nicolas.zuniga@db.com

Hi everybody I'm new around here, thank God I found Palsite and this forum. Hope anybody can give me a hand with this:

I own a SL-HF 950 ES with the Superbeta PRO-mode which apparently works only using the rarely seen PRO-X tapes to offer 280 lines of resolution. As I don't find PRO-X tapes anywhere, would I get the same result by using oxide Betacam tapes, given that these are designed for professional use? Or would a good, new high grade tape give me the same result?

Furthermore, I'm a bit confused now regarding the use of Betacam oxide tapes on plain Beta machines. I read at Palsite that you can use the small sized OXIDE Betacam tapes with no risk of 'burning' the heads and that only METAL tapes (mainly used since the introduction of Betacam SP) would be harmful. I contacted Sony's technical support here in Madrid (Spain) and one 'technician' told me the following two things:1- Forget about it all Beta is DEAD (my ears were completely shut to that comment)2- OXIDE tapes are MORE harmful to heads than METAL tapes, much more if we are talking about using them on a consumer Betamax machine, because metal tapes are smoother in formulation ?????!!!!!. Well that's exacltly the opposite to what I read in Palsite, so now I really don't know what to think... Could please somebody enlighten me? Is it good to use Betacam oxide tapes to record in Superbeta PRO-mode or will that harm my heads anyhow? Should I just use new UHG tapes instead if I can find any? Will the result be as good?

Thanx!!

Brenda Ann Dyer
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
8:54 am U.K.

brendad@shinbiro.com

Ah... HP Vectra... the VHS of computers.. *gggg* (Daewoo, of course).

Sean, if you ever come across an SLO-1800, think of me first if you don't want it for yourself.. in the meantime, I'll keep my eyes on fleabay for one. I'm so way happy with my SLO-323, the audio is even better since I cleaned the audio heads.. not bad for linear stereo..

Franny Wentzel
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
7:16 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Yikes! I just can't imagine trying to use that other format on a daily basis....

Sean Meskill
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
6:12 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942514732My dream: One of these with a Beta (Three speed superbeta HiFi) in place of the DV deck. Ultimate recorder... BIs for short features, SVHS at EP for long features, copy to VHS for friends, copy to beta from rentals, edit down from Betamovie tapes to VHS so other people can watch them... Yeah, I've noticed half the reason I use VHS is so other people can look at my tapes... the other half is the $0.99 Maxell tapes...

Sean Meskill
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
6:07 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Well if I ever turn one of those up I'll have to mount the big server fan over the grating in the back. (Scrapped a Vectra) My JVC HR-S5500U runs awfully hot but since, in my oppinion, BIs looks almost as good as SVHS and the best beta tapes are $9 new and the lowest I've seen SVHS is around $12 you know what makes my movies and so forth. In fact I almost never use it, but it's way too cool to sell off. I was given a free 29" (?) trinitron set... Betamax Era... have to look into it because of my unified Sony Remote... controls TVs, and VTR codes 1 through three. I also have one that handles my reciever, VTR 2, and a television among other Sony goodies I don't have!

BeefJerky
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
5:58 am U.K.

beefjerky@starlynx.com

Re: SLV-R5UC

This is one of the best prosumer SVHS's, but it does have one common fault. The power supply. It runs *very* hot, and the capacitors in there are very likely to start leaking. Sometimes they can be rebuilt as long as the electrolyte hasn't damaged the PCB. One thing I recommend. Mound some sorta fan on the back to help cool the power supply. That should at least help to delay or prevent that problem. As a matter of fact I have one of these VCR's in my closet with a bad PSU, but the PCB is already damaged, so I'd have to buy a whole PSU from Sony to get working again.

Scott
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
5:43 am U.K.

scottveazie@hotmail.com

RE: Trading down from ED Beta to Super Beta. I never use the ED function on my 9500 as I only have about 5 metal tapes, and many more standard Beta tapes. I figured maybe someone would really want an ED, whilst I'd rather have the 2100. I've always wanted one of those crazy touch screen decks.

~Scott

Andy W.
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
3:59 am U.K.

vespanidus@aol.com

Well gang, I did it! I finally found that editing deck for my home videos! I did not want to spend more than 300 bucks, which eliminated the SL-HF1000 and 2100, and the SLV-R1000 and SVO-2000, and the Panasonic AG-1980. I also wanted a well-built and reliable one, which eliminated anything JVC. What a dreamer, thinking I could get a good editing VCR for under $300! But where there's a will, there's a way. A broad search of Ebay for "Sony VCR" turned up model SLV-R5UC. It was supposedly one of Sony's first VHS-system based VCRs after they gave up on ▀eta, so it probably dates from 1989 or 1990. I bid on 1 and lost, and bid on another and won it today at $295 :) It's like an S-VHS version of the SL-HF1000, with a big old jog/shuttle wheel on the unit and remote, A/V insert editing, front A/V input, mike and headphone jacks, Edit Monitor mode, PIP mode, and more. But all the controls are on the inside of a flip-down door that runs the length of the unit, reminiscent of the SL-HF2100. The controls are normal buttons however, not touchpad. It also has a Control-L jack on the front that will interface with the LANC jack on my camcorder (with an adapter cable) and a Control-S jack on the back that will work with the one on my SL-HF600. :):):):)

Olive E Thomas
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
3:28 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.n┐spam.c┐m

Why would you trade DOWN from an ED-beta to a ordinary SuperBeta? Even if it was the SL-HF 2100, I'd still rather have an EDV-9500...

Anyways...

It feels good to sleech a sleecher...

It seems the only time our local PBS station ever deigns to put on programming that might draw interest outside their usual core audience they put it on their beg-athon weeks... (where they interrupt programming to tell you the benefit of supporting public TV is that you won't have to sit through commercials!)

Well their begathon commercial were no match for my trusty SL-HF 360. Got a nice documentary about the vanished downtown shopping districts of our area - the old department stores, movie theaters,hotels, train stations and etc...- with at least a half hour or more of begging surgically removed...

Being among the first generation to grow up in a land without downtowns to speak of it's sad to see what I've missed...

like the poor deprived kids growing up without Betas...

It's like what the man said - there is no America anymore - just the malls people go to and the malls people used to go to...

Scott
Tuesday 3rd December 2002
1:55 am U.K.

scottveazie@hotmail.com

Hello,

Firstly, an update on the Beta Informer. For the last couple of months I have been trying to get my Eudora mail to send the Informer out (Eudora is the only mail program I know of that is free and will let me past lots of email addresses in the BCC choice) but if anyone can point me in the right direction of a free alternative, that would be great. I cannot figure out what all of a sudden it won't let me email out. Very frustrating. Secondly, I have the following for trade:

Sony EDV-9500

Will trade for Sony SL-HF2100, or willing to entertain offers. I am really looking for a SL-HF2100 though. Thanks so much.

~Scott

Dennis Gibson
Monday 2nd December 2002
7:54 am U.K.

dennis.gibson@anu.edu.au

I have a Sony SL HF100AS that has a problem with the NEC D7519G display driver / processor.I have no display and no turn-on unless relay RY621 in the PSU is forced on, then things start to work but still no display.

Does anyone have either a schematic for this area ("MC" on the PCB) or a pin-out of the chip?

Thanks,

DG

David A.
Sunday 1st December 2002
10:09 pm U.K.

avideo@earthlink.net

To Andy W. - Just got back from a few days away in California to share Thanksgiving with my family.(It was about 70 and sunny in San Francisco!) And when I checked my e-mails, I also got that e-mail from some "Sergio" character looking for an ED Beta. Looks like we already have the first "spammer" taking e-mailaddresses off this board. Shame on him!!! I am thinking about the possibility of selling my SL-700. I rarely use it - and Isuspect someone here might be able to give it a good home. I bought it from the original owner - a former broadcast guy here on the west coast. It's in really great shape - allpanels and doors are in nice condition; and all controls work perfectly. About the only thingI can find wrond on this machine is that the display is a bit weak - mostly due to somedust getting under the display panel. If you can live with a SuperBeta that doesn't have Hi-Fi; it might be worth a look.

Sean Meskill
Sunday 1st December 2002
8:55 pm U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

I knew I had heard that before. Thanks, Franny, now I know what it is. I'll have to look for an Mp3 of my favorite Christmas Number...

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 1st December 2002
9:18 am U.K.

franny_wentzel@yahoo.spamjam.co.uk

Loaded my favourite holiday mp3 to the Betamax Videographer. If you're a member you can 'sleech' it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBetamaxVideographer/files/Waitresses-Xmas-Wrapping.mp3

I used to think it was a Blondie song but I still like it. Not too many Hannukah songs out there...

Sean Meskill
Sunday 1st December 2002
6:25 am U.K.

smeskill@attbi.comebackformore

Somebody sold me an ancient top-load VHS for $5 that had taken a trip down the loading ramp. looked like that but functioned OK transport wise but the heads were worn down to little nubs. I have the head drum around here someplace and I occasionally use it as a drink coaster (Better than an AOL CD!!!)

Ron Hebb
Sunday 1st December 2002
12:27 am U.K.

ocanada6@yahoo.com

I got the Sergio e-mail. I wouldn't call it span, exactly. It was pretty broken English, but it appears to be a letter to the president of Sony complaining about their decision to kill Beta, along with a suggestion they create combination ED Beta/DVD decks (a great, albeit futile idea). I think he cc'd everyone that's ever been on this site.

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