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Brian Samples
Saturday 30th December 2006
6:44 am U.K.

devzin98@yahoo.com

Hi. I have a Sony Betamax SL-20. I've had this unit for roughly 20 years without a problem. Recently, though, I find that with any tape I pop in, the following happens:

1) For about 5-10 seconds, the video/audio will play fine.2) After that time, noise "bands" will appear (as if bad tracking).3) Finally, both picture and audio fade down, and the screen turns black with no audio. 4) If I shuttle FF or rewind, picture/audio will come back for another 5 seconds, and then fade out again.

I consider myself pretty technically talented, so I have no problem cracking open the machine to try and repair this problem myself. Please let me know if you can identify the problem, and how I would go about repairing it.

Thanks so much in advance.

-Brian

noel higgins
Friday 29th December 2006
9:14 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Mark,

I should be able to help you with those problems. At least I am fairly close. Check out http://www.betaheaven.com/

regards Noel

Mark Perry
Friday 29th December 2006
1:23 am U.K.

winchester_7@hotmail.com

i've got a sl-c6 and a slhf100as with problems

the SL-C6 has a picture bounce about every 3 seconds. it's as if it he drums stops and restarts ie bioung...bioung...bioung, and during this the picture goes to b&w then returns. I'm not sure if it's the "Poor capstan lock" fault. i tried the c7 and c8 replacements to no effect and the "Drum speed variations" fault withthe resisitors without effect. i haven't checked the Drum or Capstan IC's for faults yet. the Video Head has just been replaced for wear and the possible cause. i've also got the Srevice Manual.

The SL-HF100 had a worn head which i finally found a replacement (pure luck!!!).One or two the LED Meters has gone out posibbly the far left Right Channel segments if i remember.Then one night the tuner just died like an AV picture, the VCR still powers up, and the panel which allows you to tune the channels the LED which inicates to you the channel (and bandwith) you're tuned is is 'tuned in' for every 'tuned' channel.I've also got a problem with one of the tape path loading mechanism, any modes it starts for one second then stops. a newly designed pinch roller by Sony i had do transfer to the original arm because of an alteration to where the spring sits in a groove is now absent.I don't have a service manual.

I'm in Hobart, Tasmania

any help would be appreciated.

thanks.

Idlerbiker
Wednesday 27th December 2006
1:32 pm U.K.

idlerbiker@mac.com

I have a SL-8000, and I think the S101 switch is faulty.

Where is the S101 switch?

K.Lambert
Saturday 23rd December 2006
6:37 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL!!!Get those Betas utilised for the xmas films e.t.c it's what they're best at....................Kevin

Aivars Migla
Friday 22nd December 2006
1:22 pm U.K.

ami@inboxdot.lv

Merry Christmas and happy New Year for everyone in Beta land! (My correct address is without 'dot'.)

Noel Higgins
Thursday 21st December 2006
9:16 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hello all,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to the "Palsite crew" and many thanks to the sponsors.

Just thought I would let you know there are some SLHF950 owners manuals going on eBay but they are the multi-language versions and not in English.

The first is Sony SL-HF950 Beta VCR manual in German/Swedish/Italian at http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180065745667&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008

The second is Sony SL-HF950 Beta VCR, manual in French/Spanish/Dutch at http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180065747086&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008

cheers - Noel

Homer
Tuesday 19th December 2006
10:23 pm U.K.

doh@hotmail.com

Harold, the inability to play back recent recordings can be a symptom of a tired control head recording a weak signal. This would be easier to troubleshoot if the HF100 had a real time counter as it would either advance erratically or not at all. You may otherwise confirm my theory by trying modes that don't use the control track such as betascan or pause, where you should see a fairly decent picture.

HAROLD KOSTER
Sunday 17th December 2006
1:24 pm U.K.

hkoster@onetel.com

Noel,Thanks for your reply. It would seem that there is merit to you diagnosis, since the first intimation I had of the fault, was the recording 'sticking' for a second or two, and then continuing to record on.I then ran a cleaning tape for 10 seconds in record mode. It was after this that the playback failed. I did wonder whether I had damaged the heads, but since I can play back previously recorded tapes perfectly, I am at a loss.The compliments of the season to you and again, my thanks.Kind regards, HAROLD

Noel Higgins
Sunday 17th December 2006
9:33 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Harold,

Regarding your question about the SLHF100UB, the same video heads are used for record and playback. As far as what the problem might be in record, you would need to trace the signal path with an oscilloscope while recording to find what is happening to the record signal.

The line in connectors sometime develop dry joints around the connector pins due to mechanical action.

regards Noel

K.Lambert
Friday 15th December 2006
11:15 am U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Ron and LadyM:Well, i've serviced plenty of Sanyo 5000's and have never come across 'sticky motor'.They do slow down if contaminated with debris from the brushes and can fail to pull the tape in on stop ( for which there is a Sanyo mod to over come this ), if getting on a bit.There is also the chance you have a 'dead spot' where the wiring inside the motor has burnt out and if the motor stops at this point it will not start unless you move it by hand.I have only ever encountered this twice.From what LadyM is describing it could also be a worn ,dry belt or the older upper idler making contact with the cassette door and not engaging play.I would think the 'noise' she's hearing is the motor spinning and the belt or idler not engaging due to both of them being old or worn.This is USUALLY the case and easily remedeed with new replacements.I have contacted her by E-Mail to offer my assistance but have yet to hear back.These machines are getting on now and i've found quite a few with failing capacitors in the power supply effecting the clock,tuner and in one case the whole vcr.Good luck LadyM

Ron Humphris
Friday 15th December 2006
7:23 am U.K.

www.ronhump@nospamtpg.com.au

To Ladymadonn1

Re: VTC5000 - sounds to me as if you have a sticking reel motor [ providing all belts/tyres are in good condition]. The reel motor really needs replacing - however it's sometimes possible to coax more usage from the machine by loading & unloading a tape a few times & switching the machine on & off a few times until the reel motor kicks in - this is only a short term way of getting the vcr to function and will not remedy the problem which won't get any better until the reel motor is replaced.

I've had several 5000's with this problem & reel motor replacement is the only remedy hope this helps you out

regards

Ron

Homer
Tuesday 12th December 2006
11:58 pm U.K.

doh@hotmail.com

boby, I asked a similar question months ago but never got an answer. I wanted to know about a minimal operation requirement in order to keep a machine going for the longest time possible while avoiding problems arising from long term storage. I would say rubber parts an chemical capacitors may dry but this would also happen while in use. I sure would like to know more.

HAROLD KOSTER
Tuesday 12th December 2006
4:55 pm U.K.

hkoster@onetel.com

I have acquired a Sony Betamax SL 100 UB. It plays tapes back perfectly but will not record.All I get is a screen full of flashing lines across it. Does anyone know whether there is a separate recording head when in record mode; to that of the playback head when in playback mode? In other words, are there two separate heads?

ladymadonn1
Monday 11th December 2006
2:18 pm U.K.

nikkihaworth@aol.com

Help!!I have a betamax sanyo VTC5000, im trying to play tapes, but the tapes will not play, when the tape plays it makes a funny noise, then stops, is it anything serious, can it be mended quickly, im trying to play/convert betamax to dvd for xmas for friends. thanks

Tom
Sunday 10th December 2006
8:38 pm U.K.

t_bickle78@hotmail.co.uk

Hi,

I've got a Sony C9, Sony C6 and a Sanyo 5150 currently stored in my loft in need of a good home. They all worked the last time I had them down but the heads on the C6 are either worn or need a good clean.

Didn't want to put them in the loft but wife and kids won the battle for space in our house! Due to the storage in the loft I won't guarantee any of the players and they come with over a hundred pre recorded films and probably the same amount of blanks so I'd like to see them go to someone expanding their collection and using the players for spares if they no longer work. If you're interested I'll sell the lot for £50 but downside is you would have to collect them from Gravesend, Kent and you'll need a lot of space in your car!

Let me know if you're interested!

boby
Saturday 9th December 2006
5:16 pm U.K.

bobymc@hotmail.com

Keep Beta warm;

Has anyone found a faulty condition after a long time from storage of Beta Machine......(?)

Goran
Saturday 9th December 2006
2:13 pm U.K.

sail@tele2.se

Hi, just found this page. I have a SONY SL-7C with a defect video head. One of the two coils are defect. Anyone having a spare coil? I will transfer my old betamax-videos to DVD and need to repair my old Sony. Any advise where to get spares to a resonable price?

best regardsGoranSweden

Alan Morton
Saturday 9th December 2006
12:26 am U.K.

adm222@yahoo.com

I have a Snayo NTSC 4300 that had belonged to my parents that is no longer working. My repair guy did a once over and could not spot anything obvious that was wrong and I did not figure it worth a lot of money to invest in repairing. I plan on having it tossed in the bin but if there is someone who wants it they can have it gratis, it is located in Central IL so you will either have to arrange to pick it up or pay for having it shipped to you. I f I hear nothing it will get tossed, the owneres manual for it is stall around as I beleive is the wired remote.

Craig
Thursday 7th December 2006
10:00 am U.K.

kreigas@hotmail.com

Doctor 1024 (396) of Vermont: Eagerly anticipating your next edifying instalment of hot Betamax repair tips. You really do remind me of someone else...Hmmm.No. 1 Mad Doc fan.

Andrew
Wednesday 6th December 2006
11:06 pm U.K.

yt1303@gmail.com

Excellent Condition SL-HF950 for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140061839372&rd=1&rd=1

Andrew
Wednesday 6th December 2006
11:06 pm U.K.

yt1303@gmail.com

Excellent condition SL-HF950 for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140061839372&rd=1&rd=1

steve
Wednesday 6th December 2006
7:29 pm U.K.

steve.rowley@publitek.com

Hi,

There is a collection of 41 Betamax ex rental films in original cases for sale on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280057853855

Olive E Thomas
Wednesday 6th December 2006
3:01 am U.K.

ˇlive_e_thomas@yah°°.c°m

Advert for Sanyo Betacorder...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aftqNG5u0rc

Thomas B. Frankel
Tuesday 5th December 2006
9:13 pm U.K.

tbf@cox.net

I have hundreds of 750 tapes and 8 or 9 sony Beta machines from the early models with wired remote (3) to the latest models of 2002 which I no longer use. I was going to donate to charity but I feel they would be wasted. Any suggestions on some who would take them and use them would be appreciated. I do not want to go through the hassle and cost of shipping many boxes. All machines work great.

Matthew
Tuesday 5th December 2006
2:09 pm U.K.

dreammc@tpg.com.au

Are these tapes pre recorded original ones

Mavis Frewin
Tuesday 5th December 2006
11:12 am U.K.

m.frewin@corbypress.com

I have a large number of betamax tapes and wish to dispose of quicky at a fair price. Some in origianl packing and never used. I also have 3 betamax players. I live in Hampshire, england and would be willing to deliver a resonable distance. I welcome interst and any help or advise.

ljones
Tuesday 5th December 2006
12:50 am U.K.

slothpuck@gmail.com

Where to get a second hand Betamax machine from?------------------------------------------------

Hello all, apologies if this message dosen't appear correctly, but I was wondering if anyone here could help me out. I am looking to buy just one :) betamax VCR, nothing special or fancy just a plain bog-standard beta machine. I did have one about 4 or 5 years ago in the past but made the mistake of taking it to the tip once it broke down x.x . I understand that there are sometimes some for sale on ebay, but some on ebay tend to be greedy and often mark their sale with words like "rare" and ask lots of money of which I am very wary about paying out. Can anyone suggest any other lines of help?

Thanks

ljones

Noel Higgins
Monday 4th December 2006
10:37 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Owners manuals for the Sony SL-HF950 listed on eBay.

Two versions, the German/Swedish/Italian

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180059812587&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008

and the French/Spanish/Dutch.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180059815654&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:AU:31

regards Noel

lmelling
Sunday 3rd December 2006
9:07 pm U.K.

lesmels@lmelling1.wanadoo.co.uk

hi , can anyone help source a user manual for the famed slhf950, would greatly appreciate your help. by the way , great site , keep the hints & tips flowing

Noel Higgins
Sunday 3rd December 2006
7:29 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tgp.com.au

Valle,

That picture stability problem you spoke of in an earlier post is usually due to aging capacitors in the capstan servo and drum servo board underneath the base of the Sony SLC7. It is also a problem in the C5 and C6 models. The capacitors dry out over time and lose capacity and also get high ESR or "series resistance".

The ones to replace are the light blue electrolytics. Make sure you get the polarity right on the replacements. I have covered this before in earlier chatpage posts. You may also need to reset the drum servo control potentiometer and the capstan servo control potentiometer because the capacors can vary in their value due to manufacturing tolerences.

regards Noel

Valle
Saturday 2nd December 2006
1:01 pm U.K.

mayday948@hotmail.com

Small solution with another of my 4 pieces of C7 -E

Power switch on..everthing was "green" eject worked aswell..play button indicated that it works..BUT! nothing happend..it didnt "pull out the tape".....it was shown that the whole sistem was STUCK..all it needed was a little help "around" with the finger first time..and som small doze of lubrication on some small wheels in the right upper corner....works pefect now.

Craig
Saturday 2nd December 2006
10:18 am U.K.

kreigas@hotmail.com

lan C: There's a PAL version of a Gary Numan video called Micromusic on Beta format, in apparent xlnt condition, on ebay in the UK. It goes for 2hr. (ebay No.110062480618). You have 4 and half days to bid from this posting- good luck!Regards, Craig.

Olive E Thomas
Saturday 2nd December 2006
6:01 am U.K.

ˇlive_e_thomas@yah°°.c°m

To Ian C. Just do an eBay search for Gary Numan and you should get something. Years ago this netowrk called "MTV" (Music Television) ran these things called music videos (and ran them 24/7 no less - a novel concept someone ought to bring back) and in the 1990s had this show called "Amp" that I used to Betamax religiously. Was able to get a recording of "Cars" on one tape.

Roderick
Saturday 2nd December 2006
12:41 am U.K.

rod347erick872@stage692saf982ty.com

Hi Valle, welcome to the forum and don't worry, this site is exactly for asking that sort of questions!

I would suggest that you start with a serious clean of the whole tape path with Q-tips and surgical alcohol. Quite often this happens when a build-up of gunk over the years causes friction which makes the tape vibrate. If you hear a light squeel when you play a tape that is definately the problem. Make sure that all the posts are nice and clean without any black/brown residue.

If you play a lot of older tapes, have a look at the link to tape baking below. Despite someone taking the p*ss, it does really work. Many of the tapes fromm the late 1970's - early 1980's have this problem due to the way the emulsion was manufactured.

Let us know how you go.

Valle
Friday 1st December 2006
4:16 pm U.K.

mayday948@hotmail.com

Hello!

I dont know if its forbidden to ask for some help right here! If so please erase this Post.

Im looking to solve a problem on my Sony C7 -E

Picture qvalite seems perfekt,,BUT! its shaking,the whole picture.

Couldnt find this problem descried anywhere.

I hope anyone could jus tell me whats wrong.

Greetings from Sweden!

Valle

Ian C
Friday 1st December 2006
1:23 pm U.K.

iculver@hotmail.co.uk

Hello ,I'm after any Gary Numan videos on any format, Betamax / V2000 / VHS / Laserdisc / VHD / CED etc. Surely there must be some out there somewhere. If anyone can help please contact me :- iculver@hotmail.co.uk.Many thanks.

Valle
Friday 1st December 2006
12:11 pm U.K.

mayday948@hotmail.com

Hi Guys!

Just came across this side..think its great!!!

Looking for a place to describe one of my problems with my C7 -E Beta!

Thankfull f÷r tips

Best/Valle /Sweden

Ivan
Wednesday 29th November 2006
5:57 pm U.K.

ivaclo1@hotmail.com

I,d like to know if anyone can scan and send me via email a copy of the SL-HF650 operating manual for free downloading.I purchased this vcr on ebay whith no manual i will wait your response i will use this chat page since i obtain good response from American guys like Kevin Tailord.

Thank you and greetings from Mexico

Boby
Tuesday 28th November 2006
5:01 pm U.K.

bobymc@howtomail.com

Howdy folks ,long time no see.Long life Betaphile

K.Lambert
Monday 27th November 2006
9:30 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

" David Guest........................Come on down"................................!

Craig
Monday 27th November 2006
12:24 pm U.K.

kreigas@hotmail.com

Dunno who the hell that is lampooning The Doc, but he's hilarious (and spot- on)! Looking forward to the next installment...l think?!...

Olive E Thomas
Sunday 26th November 2006
6:04 am U.K.

┐live_e_th┐mas@yah┐┐.c┐m

The reason he daren't show his real ID is he's a wanted for a string of bestiality attacks on petting-zoo animals.

Max
Sunday 26th November 2006
4:16 am U.K.

maxbetamax@yahoo.com

Well, unfortunately for us normal folks, the psychotic creep is back making idiotic posts under a brilliantly original name (doctor1024 of Vermont). Again, it is plain to see that the idiotic posts are via an AOL proxy server (cache-dtc-ae08.proxy.aol.com), which does not originate in Vermont. Of course, why this doofus is doing this and what this nutcase is trying to prove is beyond all of us, and he is way too cowardly to post under a real name or e-mail address. Itĺs hard to believe that keeping track of my eBay activity could fill someoneĺs empty life, but apparently it can.

Donald Hume
Saturday 25th November 2006
7:28 pm U.K.

donaldehume@talktalk.net

The evils of downsizing means that I no longer have room for my Sanyo VTC 6500. It hasn't been used for some time and when I tried it recently I could get no Audio though Video is fine - I think it was all OK when I "mothballed" it. The owner's manual and remote are still with it. There is also a Beta head cleaner (Videoclear 3) 9 Memorex L830 tapes (used once) and 46 commercial tapes. If anyone is interested enough to make an offer I'll be glad to hear from them and let them have a list of the commercial tapes that I have.

Ron Humphris
Saturday 25th November 2006
2:58 am U.K.

www.ronhump@nospamtpg.com.au

To Martin,

Re : 950 jamming transport motor

does the motor only jam when draw is trying to open but closes without any problem - if so it will probably function O K if you give it a helping hand [pull] - I have one with this problem as well but I think mine has a draw allignment problem?

regards

Ron

one off poster
Friday 24th November 2006
7:38 pm U.K.

dan-gleeballs@hotmail.co.uk

hi all,

i have a wired remote for sale on ebay at the moment for a sony slc6 -ub (1+2) very rare, ideal to use for yourself or advertise elsewhere if you have a wider maket than i have, it is boxed, with instructions and looks unused, i have tested it and it works fine! and its cheap and i will post world-wide. send me an email to dan-gleeballs@hotmail.co.uk

doctor1024 (394) of Vermont
Friday 24th November 2006
3:36 pm U.K.

Ibuybetaroute283@yahoo.com

Thank Roderick,

This "baker" seems to be descibing audio tapes. Have you had any results with shedding Betamax tape cassettes? Do you take the reels out of the shell, like a clam? Just kidding...the whole deal sounds half baked.

I'm on my way out the door to buy a Cuisinart right now, but will try this baking on my Cinderella tape and will get back to the board with the results..

The Doc @ Ebay

Martin
Friday 24th November 2006
3:08 pm U.K.

mji1962@hotmail.co.uk

I have a 950 with a jamming transport motor. Where can I get a new motor from? I have been offered one for 375 quid so I have rejected that one straight away.

Are there any other motors which could fit?

Roderick
Friday 24th November 2006
6:24 am U.K.

rode98476rick21@stage0923safety0293.com

and it would be handy if I included the link, wouldn't ithttp://www.tangible-technology.com/tape/baking1.html

Roderick
Friday 24th November 2006
6:23 am U.K.

rode98476rick21@stage0923safety0293.com

Doc, I'd say your tape is suffering of 'sticky tape syndrome', rather common with older tapes. Have a look here on how to fix that, I am using this technique to restore anything from 1/4" audio tapes to 1" video tapes.

Noel Higgins
Friday 24th November 2006
3:57 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Jan,

Thanks for the information. You have a great site there. Some additional machines are there that I also have and they are not shown on Palsite. Keep up the good work.

regards Noel

Jan H.Pedersen
Thursday 23rd November 2006
9:32 pm U.K.

bcc16571@vip.cybercity.dk

Hey Beta Friends, To Noel Higgins about the SLO420P, you can go to Betamax.dk and se moreinformation about the SLO420P, yes its a very rare vcr, not many in PALversion but the NTSC version you se very often on Ebay.Kind Regards to all,

doctor1024 (394) of Vermont
Thursday 23rd November 2006
8:42 pm U.K.

Ibuybetaroute283@yahoo.com

Firstly, I want to thank all the people that I personally emailed about this situation on this Beta Board. Also, I did e-mail the site master and he told me "Al, your absolutely correct and I will do as you asked". (What a trouble maker I am!) Thanks for sticking with meeeeee!!!

Also, I want everyone to be aware that I have changed my buying habits on ebay and for the short term will not bid on NEC, TOSHIBA, Sanyos with scotch tape holding the front panel from falling off, needles, frequency counters, 2.0 megabyte hardrives, vcr repair books, PEE HERMAN tapes, numerous cheepo re-winders and SVHS to name a few. Please feel free to check out my bidding list on ebay and see the high end units that I try to buy..

Now getting to the real thing, I bought this outstanding and well directed Beta movie on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39830&item=260005872822

Might be able to help others who ran into the same problem as I did with their OLD beta movies.

I was getting ready for bed and popped in the old Cinderella tape.

Six minutes into the film, my heads clooged on my NEC betamax.

I uses my concoction of paint thinner and denatured alcohol and a secret ingrediant, cleaned the heads with a Qu tip.Put the Betamx completly back together, made a warm glass of milk and by golly 6 minutes later the heads glogged once again.

This went on for an hour, cleaning the heads , putting the Betamax completly back together and making sure that all the screws were back in the proper place. I nearly snapped off the door doing this. That would have been a catastrophe.

I decided to make a copy of this movie on a NEW blank tape that I purchased off ebay.

One problem was that the movie stated that there was a copy right and the film could not be reproduced. The second problem was that every 6 minutes the Betamax heads would clog.

I decided to pull out all the stops and brought in a bunch of Betamax from the piles in the back room and see if one would play the tape wihout clogging the heads. I did this for hours.

Half the Betamax I pulled from the old pile didnt work (Guess they need a tune-up) and the best I could get was 7 minutes 6 seconds on my SL-HF900 that I got for a song from the training camp of the Football Cleveland Browns.

I decided to break the law and copy the tape (HEE HEE).

My kid suggested that I not put the Betamax back together with all screws and clips as I had been doing and to just leave it open. This way you I could save a lot of time. What a great idea!! the kid is a chip off the old block.

Took me a total of 18 hours and 36 minutes to achieve the Cinderella copy tape. Now I have a procedure in the event that my 1500 + beta collection start to glog heads.

Peace and love. The DOC@ebay

nordkorea
Thursday 23rd November 2006
8:16 pm U.K.

christiankoenig2005@yahoo.de

With astonishing I discovered " A room with a view " in NTSC/beta.Produced in 1992 (!). I always thought, the last beta movies were produced in late 90, early 91. Does anyone knows other movies released in 1992 or even later in the USA ?

Max
Thursday 23rd November 2006
8:03 pm U.K.

maxbetamax@yahoo.com

Frenchie,

I agree with Noel, but almost every Toshiba develops this failure due to rotting of the rubber belt between the capstan motor and capstan. While you are waiting for the proper replacement flat belt, you can simply use an appropriately sized rubber band.

Max

Noel Higgins
Thursday 23rd November 2006
2:08 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Frenchie,

I don't actually know that model of machine but what you describe sounds like a faulty capstan motor which controls tape speed in Play and record. Check first if the capstan pin drive itself is moving. If not then look for a faulty belt or capstan motor. If it is moving then check that the capstan roller which is supposed to hold the tape against the capstan in play or record mode is doing so.

Good luck - Noel

Frenchie
Wednesday 22nd November 2006
11:53 pm U.K.

bimc387@yahoo.com

I have a Toshiba beta model V9200T that must have had a traumatic episode since one minute it was working fine, the next it stopped playing. It will fast forward and rewind normally but if I hit play it is as if I hit pause. The tape is in gear because I can see the image actually paused on the screen if I do hit pause. Would anyone have a diagnosis and repair on this situation? Thank you.

Paul
Tuesday 21st November 2006
2:24 pm U.K.

paulr_shutty@yahoo.co.uk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YANgbpuLLx8

Terry Bailey
Tuesday 21st November 2006
4:37 am U.K.

tmbailey@tpg.com.au

Hi Noel,Ref Horizontal hold type probThanks for the contact and the effort in sharing your ideas and knowledge.I am leading towards your latter coments that being print through and tape deteriation.I have been reading and collecting extensive articals from Ampex on tape life and aging problems. Shrinkage, print through,warping, age damage and material separation causing probs poss akin to mine. I have spotted yourself from time to time on the net and ebay. I have just one I think it is an SLF-100 sony beta HI Fi. Working wellat the moment. Due to the nature of my little busy business I collect cameras of all sorts digital to Analogue as well as projectors etc.My oldest projector 1937 wonderful machinary. I was selling the Beta when they first came out infact I go back earlierto the Phillips N1500 series. I am looking out for one of those all the time. One always on the net in UK selling for 500 poundscost that to get it here as well.Thanks for your input.Best regardsTerryNB if you would like a copy of the ampex thing let me know.

Ron Humphris
Monday 20th November 2006
10:39 am U.K.

www.ronhump@nospamtpg.com.au

G/day all

this is probably a long shot! but does anyone have or know of the availablity of service manuals for the following Sanyo machines VPR 5800 [portable] & VTT 5800 [tuner] also forVTC 3000P [portable] & VRF 300P [tuner]Any lead's appreciated - I also have many beta manuals that I can copy & swap for any of the above - thank's

regards

Ron

Noel Higgins
Sunday 19th November 2006
10:02 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Terry,

Actually, I am in Melbourne Australia, I wonder where you are.

Three things spring to mind regarding your problem.

1/ The original recording could have been made on a machine where the tuner was experiencing strange radio frequency propagation reception conditions caused by certain weather conditions where a very distant TV station is giving you co-channel intereference. (Called skip or ducting by radio amateurs) The effect is possible because the sound is amplitude modulated onto the television carrier and other signals on the same frequency even 40dB below the wanted signal can start to cause interference. The out of sync interference mentioned at 3/ may also be evident along with an effect called venetian blinds where the scan lines seem to combine then move apart.

2/ The tape was recorded a long time ago and stored for many years without use. Print through of the magnet energy between tape layers can occur giving such an effect when eventually played back.

3/ The machine it was recorded on may have had a faulty erase head and while the new recording will to some extent over-ride an original recording, the original will remain as a background signal. In such cases when the pictures are out of syncronism, the Horizontal balnking interval will appear across the screen as a large grey band in the background and slowly move up or down.

Another thing that causes horizontal lines across the screen is tape damage present as wringles or grooves on the tape surface. this can cause an increase in head to tape gap and the signal basically gets noisy in one or more horizontal lines. You can lift the cases protective flap and inspect the tape surface under a bright light to see if it is damaged.

I trust that you can follow the above comments. For your info, my website is http://www.betaheaven.com/

regards Noel

Terry Bailey
Sunday 19th November 2006
6:55 am U.K.

tmbailey@tpg.com.au

I offer a Betamax to DVD conversion in Australia. Of late I have found a few tapesthat on replay seem to have lines left to right across screen rather like the old horizontal tear hold problem on old TVs. Adjusting tracking on any of my 2 machines does not help. A signal is there as I can see movement and sound can also be heard. Both tapes came from betamax cam corders. Any help appreciated.

Noel Higgins
Sunday 19th November 2006
4:12 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Olive,

Good to see you back on the Chatpage. That was an interesting collection you have on the camera connector details.

Trey,

There are a number of brands of wet or dry cleaners. The Sony one is model L-25CL and is the dry type cleaner. I would not run it more often than is necessary because I believe they are abrasive and will wear the heads with too much use.

Charlie,

Thanks for the model info. I don't have access to the NTSC models but the PAL Toshiba models V-31AS and V-33AS have the hall sensors in their drum motors. If you get a good source for the load gears used in the Sony SLC9ES or the NTSC equivalent let me know. I am also hunting service manual for the SL800ME multisystem unit and the SLO 420P which I am told is similar to one of your NTSC models. I am after information about changes to the SS11 control board to permit the addition of the extra blue controller port.

regards Noel.

Charlie
Sunday 19th November 2006
12:14 am U.K.

betaman50@yahoo.com

Noel, The Toshiba beta's I get my Hall Effect switches from are VM411 and VM415 ( ntsc) and they're very easy to remove.I never got any out of the Sony capstan motor-- I'll have to give that a look.Thanks a lot!!

Olive E Thomas
Sunday 19th November 2006
12:09 am U.K.

┐live_e_th┐mas@yah┐┐.c┐m

Yes Beta cleaning tapes are still in production. Remember that Sony still makes and sells Betacam equipment which need cleaning tapes that just so happen to fit nicely in Betamax equipment.

Mind you that you can clean heads just as effectively by loading and playing a otherwise unwanted reel of tape and holding it in pause for a few minutes till the heads unclog themselves.

Trey Jones
Saturday 18th November 2006
9:56 pm U.K.

tra_luke9511@hotmail.com

Noel

do they make a cleaning tape for betas? and also i dont know of any place that would fix a beta though i will call around and see what i can find and thanks for the advice

Rob
Saturday 18th November 2006
3:24 pm U.K.

CaptainCheese@gmail.com

Im Looking to sell two Beta cameras, with hardshell cases. These are sony. The lot includes:2 battery chargers1 battery (doesnt hold charge)beta vcrabout 15 beta tapes.Email me if interested i can get model numbers. just seeing if anyones interested.

Roderick
Saturday 18th November 2006
7:07 am U.K.

rod62534er87ick@sta67ge8234safe5ty.com

Does anyone know why the Betamax chat page adjusts itself to twice the screen width?It is quite annoying to read posts having to slide back and forth. The Umatic or Betacam page don't seem to do this......

robert Kesser
Friday 17th November 2006
4:40 pm U.K.

gerbobk@execpc.com

FOR SALE: SONY SL HFR70 with remote, excellent working condition and beta rewinder. $69 plus shipping from Wiscinsin.

Olive E Thomas
Friday 17th November 2006
2:07 pm U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.c┐m

I have a mirror of a page I found on the web concerning old cameras and their connectors...

http://uk.geocities.com/olive_e_thomas/10pinvideofaq.htm

Includes pinouts for VHS and Beta video cameras.

Noel Higgins
Friday 17th November 2006
11:01 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Dave,

That camera can be used with a range of Sony beta machines. SLC5, SLC7, SLC9 and the F1E portapack. The connector details are at http://www.palsite.com/kcon.html There are currently machines for sale on the UK eBay.

The machines are all listed at http://www.palsite.com/models.html

regards Noel

Dave
Friday 17th November 2006
10:03 am U.K.

foxeestoat@hotmail.com

I've Just recently got a Sony Trinicon HVC 2000P video camera (from ebay). Now it doesnt have a tape bay in in and has a lead with a connector i dont recognise. Someone suggested it would connect to a betamax recorder, can anyone confirm this? i'd like to get it working if possible.If anyones got any info or help it'd be greta if you could email me.

Cheers

Noel Higgins
Friday 17th November 2006
6:05 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Charlie,

Now that was a helpful hint about the hall effect sensors. I just happened to have one sitting on the test bench having swapped an assembly. The sensors are a bugger to get out on that board though. Another source is from the Sony capstan motors. They use two and sometimes three such as in the SLC9. The Sony service manuals do not have a circuit diagram for the drum motor board but if you check out the circuit diagram for the capstan motor of a Sony SLHF150 then it is identical to the drum circuit except for the addition of the Fg & Fp connections/circuitry.

regards Noel

Olive E Thomas
Friday 17th November 2006
2:37 am U.K.

olive_e_thomas@yah┐┐.c┐m

Interesting YouTube offering...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAOODwH73D0

"I am Cartrivision" promotional video. Cartrivision came out 3 years before Betamax but a series of gaffes - not the least was the loss of a warehouse full of pre-recorded videotapes just before product rollout.

More info on this format available from LabGuy's World...

http://www.labguysworld.com/Museum017.htm

Charlie
Thursday 16th November 2006
5:26 pm U.K.

betaman50@yahoo.com

Hi Everyone! Finally got my first SL-Hf-300 with the always missing intact!!! I have three other 300's and none of them have the front door.The 300 and 400 series are some of my favorite Betas because they'll play just about any tape clear no matter what it was recorded on. On another subject, if anyone has trouble finding a Hall effect sensor for their Sony Beta then look no further than a Toshiba Beta. Toshiba's use three of these sensors exacly like Sony's in their drum motors . The only difference is the leads are a little shorter and will need to be bent a little to go through the small circuit bd. I never had much luck cleaning the moisture laddened glue off the Sony sensor and getting the motor to run again. I've had 100% sucess using the toshiba sensors and since Toshiba Betas are pretty easy to come by it's a good and cheap way to get that Sony runnin again. Hope this helps someone!

K.Lambert
Thursday 16th November 2006
2:08 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Noel:Thanks for that.I was reffering to the head quality.I always try all recordings on all my various Sanyo machines and pre-recorded known good tapes for verification to a well set up /recording/playback deck.The thing with idlers though is it's really only the rubber tyes that get worn not all the other bits( a stretched spring maybe).Why don't they just sell the tyres on their own?I still have all the ones i've removed and there are a LOT.Sometimes you can gently clean the surface if the rubber is'nt cracked and not hard and it's as good as new.It certainly does the job to full torque ( i don't recommend turning them inside out though it's far to shiny).Happily with a Sanyo Beta it's usually the rubber that get's a bit tired.....The odd motor here and there.Somtimes a leaky capacitor...............Kevin

Noel Higgins
Thursday 16th November 2006
12:19 pm U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.au

Kevin,

You can still get belt kits in Australia. Repairers of machines are getting out of the business so I guess it will be harder for suppliers to justify keeping stock in future. On the comment of record and playback using same machine, of course that does not prove alignment with other machines but yes it's a good quick check.

Ivan,

We in "PAL land" (it is PALSITE after all)don't have manuals for those NTSC machines. You might do better on an American based beta site.

Jeff,

Yes I have picked up some goodies along the way. A mixture of persistance and luck. The guage was actually from where I used to work. They originally got a C7 and needed to change the heads at some time. I have test tapes (new from Sony) backtension meters, spring guages, the head meter, and I made my own multitest tape with a mint SLO1700 because you get both types of stereo sound using that machine. Having a decent noise and distortion meter and 100MHz oscilloscope doesn't hurt either.

Trey,

If your lucky your problem is just dirty heads. Use a cleaning tape or get a professional to manually clean the heads for you. If your not lucky the video heads may have been damaged.

regards Noel

Trey Jones
Thursday 16th November 2006
4:12 am U.K.

tra_luke9511@hotmail.com

hello, just found this after a google search, well i got a betamax player from a friend who wants me to get it working for him, well i have never used a betamax before and i dont even remember it as i wasnt born till 1986, but the problem im having is that, i can hear audio but the picture is nothing but static, is there anything i can do to fix this?

jeffoldbean
Wednesday 15th November 2006
11:38 pm U.K.

jeffoldbean@tesco.net

For My Good Friend NOEL Excuse the Shouting.I always wondered how the sony head meter determined the physical condition of the heads.I also KNOW that you have a exentricity gauge, used on stuff from the C7 to the .....But how did you aquire these wonderus goodies.Happy Christmas.

jeffoldbean.

ivan
Wednesday 15th November 2006
7:27 pm U.K.

ivaclo1@hotmail.com

sorry for that message i forgot to release the shift capital letter mode i correct the message i,d like to know if anyone can send me via email a copy of the SL-HF450 operating manual for free downloading i will aprreciated

Thank You and greetings from Mexico and click on my blue name to see my email and ignore my other message in capital letter

K.Lambert
Wednesday 15th November 2006
10:21 am U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Ivan:Why the need for capitals in your message.It's taken as SHOUTING.I think if anyone had what you are looking for you would've heard by now.Try to be a bit more patient.Greetings from the UK

IVAN
Wednesday 15th November 2006
1:17 am U.K.

IVACLO1@HOTMAIL.COM

ITS IVAN AGAIN I,D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE CAN SEND ME VIA EMAIL A COPY OF THE SONY SL-HF450 OR SL-HF600 OPERATING MANUAL FOR FREE DOWNLOADING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ON MY EMAIL BY CLIKING ON MY MAME TO SEE NY EMAIL

THANK YOU AND GREETINGS FROM MEXICO

K.Lambert
Tuesday 14th November 2006
2:08 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Noel:Thanks for that very interesting reply.You could be right.Though you must agree to see the results ( after a good service) on the recordings made and played back on the same machine will verify if they are in good order or not?I believe the unlacing can only give them a lot more life and also the head drum and tape don't take such a beating either.Are spares for the Sanyo's ( belt's /motors/idlers e.t.c) still easy to obtain over there?As for the head meter ,thanks very much for that info and i KNOW the guy who you are reffering to as overcharging for those units (Not personally though).Thanks again Nel.............sorry Noel:)

Noel Higgins
Monday 13th November 2006
11:31 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Kevin,

Sorry for getting your name wrong, I had just been speaking to a guy called Keith on the phone. Hmmm, another braincell has bitten the dust.

cheers Noel

Noel Higgins
Monday 13th November 2006
11:27 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Keith,

I have been using the sony head meter on all types of machines to check head wear. You can get a reading on all ranges and do a comparison with new or at least a machine with very good heads. You still have to check that the head surface is not chipped or scratched because it only checks the inductance.

The Toshibas seem quite bad on head wear and also the later front load Sony's but I have also had quite a few Sanyo M10 and M20 machines with worn heads also. As you say, it depends what sort of treatment the Sanyos have suffered. Apart from head wear savings due to unthreading the tape from the heads during FFWD and REW I suspect they may be saved by the failure of rubber drive belts which then got them put aside in storage. If you do go after a head meter, dont pay more than about thirty pounds. I see someone in UK asking ridiculous amounts for them.

regards Noel

K.Lambert
Monday 13th November 2006
4:24 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Noel:As you probably guessed i've never had to use one with a Sanyo.All the machines i've seen are excellent in that area.A picture does speak a thousand words.Actually i was given a NX100 for a service and the heads were going on that ( the usual black fleks to the right of bright objects and doubly worse on it's own recordings).Surprising that as this was the last one Sanyo made in the UK and i can only assume poor tapes or overuse of the dreaded head cleaner ( Mr Abrasive)was the culprit.I have heard of the said machine though and would be interested to know myself.One day it might be usefull.Feel free to enquire anytime.............Kevin

Noel Higgins
Monday 13th November 2006
11:16 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Kevin,

Thanks for the tips. It might be a while before I tackle those machines again because of where I have stored them. As a matter of interest, do you know whether you use ranges A,B or C on a sony head tester when testing heads in a Sanyo M10, M20 and M30?

cheers -Noel

Andy T
Sunday 12th November 2006
7:33 pm U.K.

andytreweek@hotmail.com

Anyone out there with a Tidy/clean functioning Sony SL8080UB?

K.Lambert
Sunday 12th November 2006
8:21 am U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

NoelI have the service manual for this model and most Sanyos.It could be the tracking control.They can come apart inside and are repaireable.Result .no adjustment when turning either way.I have also come across a couple of capstan motors that don't spin quite feely, they drag slightly on one side.This gives slight wow on playback and can cause tape damage in reverse picture search.Failing that it's probably a capacitor or servo chip.Give us a shout with exactly what is going on ...................Kevin

Noel Higgins
Sunday 12th November 2006
2:15 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hi guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have also seen a toshiba rebadged as a General. WE all have our preferences as to what machines we like I guess. I like the complicated Sony.

I would like to get some service information on the Sanyo M30. It has servo lock problems.

Harold, I reckon you should keep that machine for spares and get another off eBay. The power supply and the reel motors are common problems in 950s.

Tes we can do without certain rubbish on this site, but no activity is bad too.

regards Noel

K.Lambert
Friday 10th November 2006
6:18 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

HaroldThere is ( or was ) one listed on E-Bay for around £210 i full working order.Thought you might be interested...............Kevin

HAROLD KOSTER
Friday 10th November 2006
2:34 pm U.K.

hkoster@onetel.com

I have, in my mind, at last come to terms with the fact that, after 10 years, the loss of my beloved HF950SLV is a certainty. It needs new heads and a tuning card. It can be repaired at a cost of £1300. Even were I extremely wealthy, common sense would preclude me from spending such a vulgar amount of money on a 20 year old machine.Consequently I now own a machine which is perfect in all but the afore mentioned faults.Anybody interested in purchasing the 'remains' is welcome to contact me. It's got to be worth something?!!

K.Lambert
Friday 10th November 2006
1:06 pm U.K.

kitt@knightrider.fsbusiness.co.uk

Hi Noel.I'm always servicing and repairing Sanyo Beta's here in the UK.It's my hobby ( one of them ) and i LOVE IT.If anyone looking here has anyone of the following Sanyo Beta's VTC 5000, 5150,6500,M10,M20,M30 ,M40 and NX100 that needs a overhaul or ANY advice 'give us a shout'.I love to help out when i can and have given a lot of smiles to a lot of appreciate Beta owners.I have quite a lot of experience with said models and am always on the lookout for any Infr red remote controls or front tuning doors for said models (broken or not) that always seem to have broken (roughly handled?) hinges.I've jus finished overhauling a sanyo 5000 where a 'repair shop' had obviously had the overloaded mains capacitor fault ,probably due to a 'spiky mains' and had'nt bothered to replace it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! needless to say it was used for a while like this and caused damage to the voltage regulator, that i've now replaced. the symptom was a lighlty glowing channel indicator and 'on' led when in 'standby mode'.I have since encountered 2 Sanyo M30's with these capacitors removed and not replaced and one had damaged the tuner/tracking section board.I have now replaced these mains filter capacitors with the recommended 0.0047 @ 350vlts.the origionals were 0.1 @ 250vlts.It never ceases to amaze me how many of these 'approved' repair agents due shockingly dangerous 'repairs' and wrongly diagnose faults!!!!I won't go into that here though.That's why i do what i do , because i don't cut corners and i'm pretty thorough too.I love the Sanyo Beta's.In my opinion well put together , very easy to diagnose and a lot longer lasting than Sony...................YES that is a common trait.From what i've seen anyways.Whay wear Sony Beta's always so OVER COMPLICATED.It certainly did'nt help with their relibility /longevity did it.There biggest issue with me though was the 'always laced up feature'yes it did provide 'peep search' but at what price? It definetley did'nt help with the video/audio head/upper drum wear did it?!Well that's enough for me for today.I thought i'd give you Beta emthusiasts something to mull over.Noel.It HAS been quiet around here...........maybe that's not always a bad thing :).............................Kevin

Ron Humphris
Friday 10th November 2006
11:26 am U.K.

www.ronhump@nospamtpg.com.au

G/day again Noel,

Re; Sony SLO-420P

Just read your other posting - I think you will find the SLO-420 was an NTSC industrial/commercial duplicating machine Sony produced for the American market - the "P"on the end obviously indicates it as a PAL version of this machine which I believe was not available for the Australian market, so it was probably specially ordered /imported in or brought in as someones personal vcr from Europe ?

You will probably obtain some spec's/detail's on the machine on some of the U.S. link's on this site

keep on BETA'ing

regards

Ron

Ron Humphris
Friday 10th November 2006
8:53 am U.K.

www.ronhump@nospamtpg.com.au

G/day Noel,

Re; Titan VCR 2400

it would be interesting to see what history you can dig up on this model my reasoning is because I also have amoungst my collection a Titan but mine is a VCR 2000 and it was definatly produced by SANYO and is a toploader based on the VTC5000 / 5005 design - although the front panel is very different the rest of the external of the vcr [including the BETACORD inscription] is almost identical!

This is one vcr I have not got round to playing with yet but I should imaginne the internals to be all Sanyo - I'll let you know if they aren't!

regards

Ron

Noel Higgins
Friday 10th November 2006
1:01 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hi again.

I have come across another model of machine not mentioned on the beta palsite list. Its called a Titan VCR 2400. It has been manufactured by Toshiba as its internals follow the V31A design. What is interesting though is the styling changes that introduced a slight slope to the bottom edge of the front panel. This pre-emted the later V51 model. I am repairing this unit for the owner and he thinks he may be able to hunt up the original sales information from his father. Is anyone else doing any beta stuff out there?

regards Noel

Noel Higgins
Friday 10th November 2006
1:00 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hi again.

I have come across another model of machine not mentioned on the beta palsite list. Its called a Titan VCR 2400. It has been manufactured by Toshiba as its internals follow the V31A design. What is interesting though is the styling changes that introduced a slight slope to the bottom edge of the front panel. This pre-emted the later V51 model. I am repairing this unit for the owner and he thinks he may be able to hunt up the original sales information from his owner. Is anyone else doing any beta stuff out there?

regards Noel

Noel Higgins
Wednesday 8th November 2006
4:37 am U.K.

Noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hello all,

Sure is quiet these days. Then again, the system seems to chuck you out first time around. I wonder if anyone out there has information (sales brochures or otherwise) on the Sony SLO-420P VCR. It is a printer meaning that it was designed to make video library tapes. It does not have a tuner and is based on the SLC9 design. Interestingly, it has edit controller connections at the back to mate it with other machines like the UMAT and Hi8 machines. See http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200040211847&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=010 for a picture of the actual machine. I will add it to my website http://www.betaheaven.com/ when I get a chance.

Cheers and keep on fixing those beta - Noel - from sunny Australia

IVAN
Wednesday 1st November 2006
12:41 am U.K.

IVACLO1@HOTMAIL.COM

MY NAME IS IVAN FROM MEXICO AND I,D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAVE A TIME TO SCAN AND SEND ME VIA EMAIL A COPY OF THE SL-5800 OPERATING MANUAL I AN BETAPHILE TOO PLEASE CLICK ON MY BLUE NAME TO SEE MY EMAIL ADRESS

THANK YOU AND GREETINGS FROM MEXICO

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