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Bill
Thursday 9th June 2011
7:54 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Mark - many thanks. At that price I'll get two and donate one to my computer's video capture dongle. If it runs cool then I 'll feel happier about leaving it on for long periods, so the lack of a timer won't really be so much of an issue.

Regards, Bill

K Lambert
Wednesday 8th June 2011
8:25 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Nigel

When you say AFM i take it you mean the Beta Hi-Fi sound?It could be a sign of worn Hi-Fi heads but it would'nt explain it coming back near the middle of a tape.Those betacams sound suspect to me.I could look at it for you I have the test tapes and tension tapes too.Let me know.If interested please e-mail me personally.Thanks...............Kevin

mark
Wednesday 8th June 2011
3:05 pm U.K.

mark@beta.com

Bill - My HF950 widescreen recordings do switch the TV to 16:9 on playback. I just purchased an Akura AVX665 HD freeview box from Makro for 15 plus vat. You will not be able to use the RGB out from the scart, but it will give you basic AV at least. You will also get the four HD channels if your area has them. These will of course be downscaled via the scart but will still result in a noticeably better picture even on a CRT TV.

The box works well has one scart output, comes with a HDMI and scart lead. Has low power standby, now and next, channel sort and does not run hot. It does not have a timer so that may be a problem for you.

They also have an LG DRT389H freeview recorder for 89 plus vat. This is also a very good machine that you should consider

NigelB
Wednesday 8th June 2011
10:24 am U.K.

nbrb0x-4@yahoo.co.uk

By the way, Kevin, I've also got the Service Manual. (Let me know if you'd like a copy if you haven't already got one).

All the best

Nigel

Bill
Wednesday 8th June 2011
10:20 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel (and anyone else who's interested),

An update - I had it fixed in my mind that our local analogue switch-off wasn't happening until next year, but my partner has reminded me that it in fact will happen this July! We'll be on holiday in July, and it kinda messes up my plans for recording stuff while we're away!

So I'll perforce be using my SLHF950 and shortly my SLHF100 with terrestrial digital tuners full-time very soon. I'll report on how it goes, how they deal with widescreen etc. To the best of my knowledge no-one has as yet produced a FreeView (UK terrestrial digital) tuner with VCR-style timing and channel changing functions. At least in Europe TV sets are increasingly being sold with internal FreeView tuners, but that doesn't help much with recording.

It means having to leave a tuner connected and switched on for each machine you want to record with, and getting only one channel per machine. The three tuners I already have work very well, but they run VERY hot, and I would not be at all happy about leaving them switched on and unattended for very long. I'm still one tuner short of full coverage, so if anyone in the UK has come across a reasonably priced FreeView box which runs nice and cool, please let me know. You'll be helping to preserve my SLHF950 !

Looking on the bright side, it will enable me to leave my SLHF950ES permanently set to mainland European tuner VHF/UHF configuration in case good DX conditions turn up.

Regards, Bill

NigelB
Wednesday 8th June 2011
10:19 am U.K.

nbrb0x-4@yahoo.co.uk

Hi Kevin

The machine handles Sony tapes fine once the Agfa 'freeze' frees itself. FF/REW/PLAY all OK. Only Agfa Betacam tapes cause problems with the tape transport. That might eliminate head drum problems I think. I have tried adjusting Tension (RV-002 on SS-29 board) while running tape but to no effect. Meanwhile quality of video and normal sound is excellent. Pinch roller and threading belt cleaned and seem OK for now but will probably need replacing soon but where to go for parts?

Any further suggestions would be appreciated.

Could you recommend anyone whom I could send this machine to for repair/overhaul? I'm an engineer but don't have access to Sony test and alignment tapes.

Thanks for your help

Nigel

Jan Prest
Wednesday 8th June 2011
9:39 am U.K.

jamooex@aol.com

Hi I have a Sanyo VTC 6000 . The wind rewind is very slow and grinds to a halt . What is likely to be problem and where could i get the parts and instruction to repair !any help gratefully recieved cheers Jan

K Lambert
Wednesday 8th June 2011
8:32 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Nigel

I've worked on one of those.It sounds like you have a high back tension or worn upper drum.(slow FF/REW).I would go with the back/forward tension needing checking out.This would explain the lack of sound at the beginning ,returning near the middle.It could also be a rogue guide or pinch roller issues too.Really hard to say for sure when not seeing the vcr.You would need the Sony alignmnet tapes and forward torque one too.Hope this helps................Kevin

NigelB
Tuesday 7th June 2011
6:19 pm U.K.

nbrb0x-4@yahoo.co.uk

Sony SLO-1700. 1st problem: no AFM sound at start of tape but LNG & video OK. AFM sound then comes on about half way through tape and runs fine. Rewinding to the start the AFM sound sometimes works sometimes not. Heads and guides cleaned. 2nd problem: using Agfa betacam tapes (BTC5 & BTC10) playback gradually seizes up then stops. REW, FF & PLAY do not work. Manually moving Tension Pick-Up Assembly/Guide#1 seems to get the tape moving. Thanks for any help. All the best

Ultravixen
Tuesday 7th June 2011
7:33 am U.K.

ibex@hotmail.com

I think I read somewhere that Betacam SP tapes can be used to record in domestic Betamax machines but that they could play havoc with the heads - is this true?

Also, regarding all the spam - it's bots doing this, not people. It's all automated. The page must be on some spambot list as a place without spam-prevention coz it seems to be happening so frequently now.

Bill
Saturday 4th June 2011
11:36 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

Nicam seemed wonderful when it started here in the late 80s, but the years have revealed shortcomings. It's now pretty academic as it will die with terrestrial analogue TV broadcasting. I have to say that my partner and I use analogue very little these days, most of our viewing is from Sky satellite, where the sound quality can be very good or absolutely atrocious depending on its origin. I like West African music, but the only channel which features it is next to unuseable.

I haven't done much experimenting with digital terrestrial, but I've now given my SLHF950 its own quite cheap DVB tuner, and I'll see how it works out. Kevin has agreed to work his magic on a problem with my SLHF100, and when it's sorted out I'll give it a tuner as well. While analogue switch-off will cause some problems, you can also see it as a new chance to use the excellent stereo our Hi-Fi machines are capable of for recording off-air.

Seemingly when analogue is switched off here we face a 10db increase in signal strength compared with the present level of digital transmission. As our local signal strength is perfectly adequate now, I might be getting into attenuator territory!

All the best, Bill

Bill
Saturday 4th June 2011
10:50 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Alan and Martin,

Can I add my thanks and congratulations to Kevin's about your success in dealing with the vandals. Now you're on to them perhaps they'll lose interest and go back to their old hobby of pulling the wings off flies!

Many thanks, Bill

Noel Higgins
Saturday 4th June 2011
8:04 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Bill,

I have no experience with NICAM stereo over here. The analogue TV two channel stereo seems to work well bu the digital replacement works better.

I am in Melbourne and whilst I have not seen any here they apparently are around. so I cant tell you about what they have in Sydney.

cheers Noel

ivan
Wednesday 1st June 2011
6:42 pm U.K.

ivaloeza@yahoo.com.mx

ihave an Sony SL-2500 VCR with the owners manual but i dont have the set-up guide can anyone send a pdf copy scan of the Sony SL-2500 set-up guide please?

Thank you

davyrocket2
Tuesday 31st May 2011
4:41 pm U.K.

davyrocket2@aol.co.uk

Hi to everyone I have a couple of C7s to many and due to moving soon I would like them to go to a good home I would like to swap for L750&L500 tapes I am in kent there are variouse faults but good supply of parts

davyrocket2
Tuesday 31st May 2011
4:36 pm U.K.

davyrocket2@aol.co.uk

hi to gabriel did you find out what is the problem with your 950 I have one with the same problem

Bill
Sunday 29th May 2011
10:43 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

Hope this isn't going too far off topic, just out of curiosity. How does your FM TV sound cope with Dolby sources, film etc? My very new Sony AV amp is supposed to put out to headphones an unprocessed 2ch stereo signal whatever the source, including Nicam. Sure as hell it doesn't. From a Nicam broadcast or recording you get dreadfully jumpy Dolby sound CONSTANTLY cutting out background and bringing up foreground. Sometimes it gets just too bad to listen to. I've tried everything on the Sony so it may not be its fault. It's pretty much OK on most of its (too many) other signal options. Being truly separate, can your system do better? I use headphones a lot because of neighbours. I got the habit when I lived in a terraced house originally put up to accommodate workers building Tilbury Docks about a hundred years ago and having walls kept up by the wallpaper!

Totally off topic - as you probably know Tilbury brings quite a lot of traffic between the UK and your neck of the woods, and at that time I lived only about three miles from Tilbury Docks. Now we certainly don't have any native scorpions, so I was quite surprised to find a very large black one on my garden wall! I left it to its own devices. Does Australia harbour any scorpions? I know you harbour some nasty insects - a relative of mine who lived in Melbourne told me more than I really wanted to know about your funnel-web spider!

All the best, Bill

charlie
Saturday 28th May 2011
1:32 am U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Ann, if the video heads are ok then they probably just need cleaned. I know lots of people don't like them but ahead cleaning tape does a good job as long as it's not done too often. Good luck ---Charlie

K Lambert
Friday 27th May 2011
8:13 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Martin

As annoying it may be , please keep up the GREAT work against those who choose to spoil others interests with pointless garbage.

..........Kevin

Martin
Friday 27th May 2011
11:26 am U.K.

palsite_against_spam@palsite.com

Here is how the "war" against spam has been progressing recently:

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2011-05-25 Wed Removed 44

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2011-05-27 Fri Removed 5 (so far)

Ann Conner
Wednesday 25th May 2011
11:52 pm U.K.

ebconner@mrtc.com

I have a beta recorder SL-5101 hooked up using a coaxial cable. Got the sound, but no picture. Tried the tracking & still no pic. Help please.

Gabriel
Tuesday 24th May 2011
5:40 am U.K.

gabrigpb@hotmail.com

Noel,Thanks a lot for your help. However, Ive been trying cleaning the heads on purpose (the ACE one) with no results. With an ohmmeter, readings can be made between pins so I guess the windings should be OK. I was having a look to a dead SL-C30 I have for spares (just looking for a head swap), but mechanically they are completely different.About misalignment, is there any way to proceed without having an oscilloscope nor an alignment tape?

Bill
Monday 23rd May 2011
8:11 pm U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

Thanks, that's what I was hoping for. The digital fraternity quite often claim to have invented autosensing, but Beta was way ahead of them. Re PAL, it's just that I wish the inventor of PAL I could be brought to justice!

Regards, Bill

Noel Higgins
Monday 23rd May 2011
5:24 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Mikael H,

Check out this German website. http://www.sps-wagner.de/Betamax/vergleichsbilder.html

The author describes how to convert an SLHF950 to give S-video output. Lots of technical information as well. (In German however)The standard SLHF950 Scart only provides normal video and stereo in and out connections.

Good luck with getting an manual. They are large and don't scan well. You do see them in hardcopy from time to time on eBay.

regards Noel

Mikael H
Sunday 22nd May 2011
9:33 am U.K.

mike.parker@ownit.nu

Doea anyone know if the Scart outlet of a SL-HF950 can translate into composite or S-video? Also, does anyone know where to get an owners manual for less than the $50 that "manuals-in-pdf" want?

Noel Higgins
Sunday 22nd May 2011
2:08 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Thanks to Martin of Palsite for his spam patrol work.

Noel Higgins
Sunday 22nd May 2011
2:07 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Gabriel,

The tracking heads do not often fail in my experience. The only check you can really do is ohms continuity for the head windings. More likely the head has dirt on its surface stopping the tape from contacting the head surface sufficiently to produce a tracking pulse or the tape path is out or alignment, meaning the head is not overlapping the right part of the tape edge.

regards Noel

Noel Higgins
Sunday 22nd May 2011
1:58 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Bill,

The unit senses the presence of the twin stereo carriers and switches to stereo reception automatically. You will have to google who invented PAL, I cant help you there.

cheers Noel

Noel Higgins
Sunday 22nd May 2011
1:56 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Doc,

Don't need a spare SLHF100 manual thanks. I just photocopy the few I have.

regards Noel

Gabriel
Saturday 21st May 2011
5:37 pm U.K.

gabrigpb@hotmail.com

Hi everyone. Congratulations for this site, it really helps. Ok, my problem is as follows: I own a Sony Betamax Sl-HF950 and it plays, rewinds, ffwds well (mechanically). When it is in play mode, there is no image. If pause is pressed, there is a still picture on screen. When Rew or Ffwd is pressed (during play), you can see the image moving fast. The tape counter never works.I guess the ACE head is faulty, but no clue how to check that component. I have it disassembled and desoldered so I can measure it with a multimeter.

Any idea? Thanks in advance.

Gabriel

Butch
Saturday 21st May 2011
9:53 am U.K.

rapmaui@yahoo.com

Please help me find a Beta player of any kind since I gave mine away free a few years back and now found in my late mothers things some priceless video of her on these tapes so I need a way to play my late moms images on Beta Max so please if anyone can help me it will be so appreciated ok Butch

doc judd
Friday 20th May 2011
8:44 am U.K.

garnetjudd@bigpond.com

Hi Noel I have a spare sl hf 100 manual,sewnd me an email if youi wnat it regards colin judd

K Lambert
Thursday 19th May 2011
11:05 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

THANKS GUYS :)

.......Kev

K Lambert
Wednesday 18th May 2011
10:07 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

De spamming needed AGAIN.Hi Bill:Did you get your HF100 sorted ??.....Kev

Bill
Wednesday 18th May 2011
10:30 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

Sorry to pester you again, but I'm not at all clear on how actually to access the SLHF950ES FM stereo tuner, assuming it does exist. I've assumed rightly or wrongly that if you switch to the VHF and Euro UHF settings you automatically get Pal B/G as in every country in western Europe EXCEPT Germany - and the UK. Who invented Pal I and why? It didn't exactly catch on in the rest of the world, can't offhand think of anywhere except South Africa! Do you think the SLHF950ES would autosense an FM signal like my Loewe TV must have done when picking up a German UHF signal rather than mono or Nicam from Holland and Belgium and France (when they eventually adopted Nicam). It most definitely received German 2 channels, but there was no provision for setting the tuner to FM manually.

Of course it's very difficult to test anything without a constantly available German TV signal. Can you think of any method?

Regards, Bill

Ann84
Tuesday 17th May 2011
3:35 pm U.K.

ebconner@mrtc.com

Have a Sony SL-5101, using the coaxil cord, finally got a sound, but no pic. Checked tracking & that didn't help. Anything out there to get pica?

Noel Higgins
Tuesday 17th May 2011
1:53 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Someone just did - Thanks guys

K Lambert
Tuesday 17th May 2011
11:21 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

I think someone needs to de spam the board.??????

nigelf
Saturday 14th May 2011
8:24 pm U.K.

lofty966@live.co.uk

Thanks, i'll check them out.

timo
Saturday 14th May 2011
1:32 pm U.K.

joneston2002@yahoo.se

https://www.manuals-in-pdf.comThey have service manuals for many models. I bought one for sony sl-hf 100. 14,99 $ is not bad price for 250 pages service manual.

nigelf
Friday 13th May 2011
6:15 pm U.K.

lofty966@live.co.uk

Hi, I Have a Sony sl 3000ub with a playback problem, The problem is it will play fine for about an hour or so then the picture starts to wobble, the belts are like new, i have read that it could be the TANTALUM capacitors on the servo circuit board. Could anyone advise me as to where these are located or any advice on repairing this problem.

Many Thanks Nigel.

Charlie
Friday 13th May 2011
3:08 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

EdHF900 --Does the little green power light come on when you power it up? If it doesn't and the display does let me know.charlie

Bill
Thursday 12th May 2011
12:17 pm U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

Thanks, that's very good news. Since my SLHF950ES is unquestionably a German model, that means it must have FM stereo. Now all I have to do is wait - and hope - that the ionosphere might be nice to me again! Fading high pressure centred somewhere around Denmark is the magic meteorological formula, I haven't a clue why.

All the best, Bill

K Lambert
Thursday 12th May 2011
11:58 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Timo

Which diagram did you want for the HF100?

........Kevin

Noel Higgins
Thursday 12th May 2011
9:49 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Bill,

I don't know about the UK model. The German model certainly did have a stereo tuner.

In Australia we have stereo on analogue TV VHF and UHF bands. Analogue switch-off is happening here as well eventually.

regards Noel

timo
Wednesday 11th May 2011
3:03 pm U.K.

joneston2002@yahoo.se

Hello. I was wondering if any of you have circuit diagram for Sony SL-HF 100 or any ideas how to get one.

Ed HF900
Tuesday 10th May 2011
6:26 pm U.K.

coin-opcollector@comcast.net

H All

I am new to betamax ...I need to convert few hundred Hi-Fi tapes ,,I bought a HF900 and it doesn't work . It powers on but the tape won't load. Any suggestions on where to start

Richard Sleeman
Tuesday 10th May 2011
11:39 am U.K.

rwsleeman@btinternet.com

Hi Stuart, thanks for the offer of the capstan motors, but I am going to bin a load of c7 's and c5 's that I don't have the room for as I am moving house very soon :-S

Bill
Tuesday 10th May 2011
4:18 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi again Noel,

Just a small addendum - unlike the UK-only models, my SLHF950ES has VHF and the facility to use the very slightly different European UHF channel frequencies. Do you think it would do stereo on VHF, assuming that's possible?

Regards, Bill

Bill
Monday 9th May 2011
10:21 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Noel,

That greatly interested me. My SLHF950 is an ES originally imported from Germany. Does that mean it's likely to have a dual FM tuner? My much mourned Loewe TV, which was REAL multistandard and would take absolutely anything you could throw at it, had a dual FMtuner. I'm in a good location for TV DX from NW mainland Europe and on rare occasions when the ionosphere is being exceptionally co-operative I have logged UHF transmissions from Germany, mainly WDR in the north and west of the country. I can't recall whether I got actual stereo or not, but I did get English language films in dual mono with the original soundtrack on one channel and dubbed German on the other, thus proving I WAS getting two channels.

In the early 90s I did get VHF from Portugal through to Russia via Spain Italy, Greece and former Yugoslavia, but no trace of stereo. Am I right in thinking that in Australia you use VHF as well as UHF? If so does the dual FM system work on VHF? I did get UHF stereo on occasion from France, Belgium and the Netherlands, but of course that was Nicam. If Germany ever turns up reliably again, it would be great to be able to record it in stereo on my 950. I haven't heard anything about analogue switch off dates in Germany. What do you think? Might the 950 autosense like the Loewe did?

Both my late 80s/early 90s Panasonic S-VHS machines have Nicam, and believe it or not they're still working. Even VHS machines from that period were made of better stuff than the plastic and cardboard they use now!

All the best, Bill

Noel Higgins
Sunday 8th May 2011
1:11 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Hi Guys,

Not on the chat page enough these days but just picked up on some comments made below.

The TV/VCR switch. Used on machines which had their "VCR generated TV output signal" in the VHF band." This switch takes the antenna throughput signal off the "TV O/P" connection of the VCR and gives the TV its program instead generated from tuner or playback instead.The TV test signal is featured on some VCRs to help you tune in to the "VCR channel" on the TV.

Comments on NICAM in beta machines. I don't think there were any NICAM tuner equiped models though I know the early top off the range VHS sony machines SLV787 and 777 had Nicam in UK.

Australia used the same PAL dual carrier FM stereo sound system as West Germany. The SLC9CES (german model) had a stereo tuner as did the SLHF100ES & AS versions, the SLHF150 (77) and the SLHF950ES & AS versions. The Australian version SLC9AS only had a mono tuner.

I don't know of any Sanyo units that had the stereo tuners.

regards Noel (betaheaven.com)

stuart george
Saturday 7th May 2011
3:54 pm U.K.

stu_george@hotmail.com

Hi Richard, I have 2 I can send you, I need to remove them from the c7s first though.

Richard Sleeman
Saturday 7th May 2011
3:08 pm U.K.

Rwsleeman@btinternet.com

Hi everyone.I have a problem with my Sony C6 -UB MARK II. When I press play the video head spins for about 2 seconds then cuts out. The same happens when I press rewind and fast-forward. Could this be the head motor or some componants on a pcb that would need replacing? Thanks.Richard :-)

ivansony
Thursday 5th May 2011
1:03 am U.K.

ivanloeza@yahoo.com.mx

can anyone send me the Sony SL-2500 set-up guide please for free? i cant find anywhere

Thank you

Bill
Tuesday 3rd May 2011
7:06 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Dave 1959,

I've got to try to help you - I'm in exile in Essex, but I was born and bred in Corstorphine! Favourite pubs Deacon Brodie's and the Vincent. Can you let me know what sockets your TV has - the large rectangular multi-pin SCART type and/or small round PHONO type, and I'll take it from there.

Regards, Bill

Bill
Tuesday 3rd May 2011
4:44 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for filling in some gaps in my knowledge. It's indeed an interesting subject. I've only ever come across just one pre-recorded tape in linear stereo in this country, a Miles Davis concert a few years ago in Virgin which I nearly bought until I noticed it was in linear. I did buy a George Shearing linear tape many years ago in Virgin Paris because I particularly wanted its content. Unfortunately it claimed on the box to be in PAL but was actually in SECAM, leaving me with both black and white and lousy sound!

I came across a few linear/SECAM tapes in a second-hand shop in Paris, so there must have been some linear/SECAM machines at some point on sale in France. Has anyone else come across linear pre-recorded tapes in Beta or for that matter in VHS? I'm pretty damned sure there were no VHS/PAL linear machines sold in this country.

Ultravixen - unfortunately simulcasts were very few and far between, tending to be for "events" like major classical concerts. I do remember the Grateful Dead in Berlin, but even then they put out only half the concert in simul.

All the best to you both,Bill

Richard Sleeman
Sunday 1st May 2011
1:16 pm U.K.

rwsleeman@btinternet.com

Hi everyone.I am looking for a working capstan motor for a Sony C7UB vcr. Has anybody got one for sale?Thanks.Richard :-)

K Lambert
Sunday 1st May 2011
11:01 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Kevrs2000

I can't answer your query as i hav'nt any exerience with those multi standard models.Some vcr's i know will happily let you exchange parts, such as capstan motors and the like but complex circuit boards you would have to stick with the same model and one which is hopefully OK.

Also there is no 'click' on this board,those of us who can will help and reply IF we have an answer.Do not take not being responeded to as being ignored or due to others being favoured.(You do get more with 'sugar than 'vinegar' as i'm sure you are aware:)Good luck with sourcing the correct board and before i go , is it not possible to repair the bits broken.How badly damaged is it?A lot of crcked boards can have the tracks broken re soldered or connected successfully?I've done this a few times with many tracks being severed.

......Kevin

kevrs2
Saturday 30th April 2011
7:07 pm U.K.

mk2esky@yahoo.co.uk

oh dear ,it seems ive interrupted ,a "click" ,well i must have been naive to think that ,i would have got a replay, you wont be hearing from me again :(

Ultravixen
Saturday 30th April 2011
6:47 pm U.K.

ibex_t@hotmail.com

Thanks Kevin & Bill. That just about clears it up.

My questions arose as I have acquired some legacy 'taped off tv' tapes, and wondered if any recordings might be in stereo. I want to get the best out of any digital transfers I make.

It seems to me now based on what you say it'd be highly unlikely, unless the original owners went very much out of their way *and* the TV broadcast supported it (could've only been things like Top Of The Pops doing simulcasts, no?).

So the best I could hope for is that *maybe* the broadcasts were recorded with HiFi (albeit mono), but it seems even that would be rare with only 2 or 3 (?) UK domestic decks able to record HiFi sound. But I guess there's no way of telling without a HiFi deck myself.

K Lambert
Friday 29th April 2011
9:51 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Ultravixen and Bill:

Interesting subject....There was ,as far as i know, NO Beta vcr(PAL) that could record from it's or indeed was equipped) with a nicam signal.I'm not sure about the later Japanese models.There were only two PAL Beta domestic vcr's that could record and play in stereo.The sony SLC9 and C40. When i say stereo it was still recorded along the narrow edge of the tape and still was lo fi down to the slow tape speed.it was achieved by splitting the part of the tape used for the mono sound into two halfs.These Sony's that had linear stereo also had Sony's Beta noise reduction (BNR) to help with the sound but i found it better with it off.Interestingly ,i did'nt realise until using a C9 i've obtained that on the Sony slave machines ,which recorded the tapes you buy with movies on,that these 'slave vcr's not only put Beta Hi-Fi sound on ( from around 1983/4) but they also put the linear stereo track on too.I tried one out with beta hi-Fi on my C9 and lo and behold the linear stereo tracks were indeed i stereo.Bear in mind too the BBC did'nt start to broadcast Nicam stereo until around 1993 and Beta models were no longer being made.Sony's last were around 1988/9.

Beta hi-Fi is a totally improved system whereby the Hi quality stereo sound is recorded in a similar way as the picture info put placed deeper onto the tape.As the heads that record this sound are spinning the quality is much better than linear as it has no bearing on the speed of the tape, as in the latter.Also the Pal system for Beta had to use two sets of heads(one set for the picture and one set for the Hi-Fi) as there was'nt enough room in the PAL system signal for this to use the SAME two heads that the NTSC models used.ALL VHS models with Hi-Fi used two sets of heads.The ONLY Sanyo PAL Beta Hi-Fi model in the UK was the quite popular VTC M40. Australia and new Zealand also had a later model the VTC M50 which was very similar in function to the M40. Sanyo released only 1 SuperBeta Hi-F model for the US market.The Sanyo VTC7250.I own one.All their later beta models were Super Beta but without the Beta Hi-Fi, until Sanyo ceased production of Beta around late 1986/87.Sony only released one SuperBeta model for the PAL market the SLHF950 with the linear skating drawer.It did'nt have linear stereo but did have Beta Hi-Fi.You can record on either beta hi-Fi or linear stereo providing you have the vcr hooked up with a stereo signal from either another Hi-Fi or stereo vcr, freeview or Satellite.The picture will be better two as it's digital in most cases.

Hope all this info clears up any confusion..............?

........Kevin

Bill
Friday 29th April 2011
8:12 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

Hi Ultravixen,

I'm afraid that Beta doesn't sit AT ALL with NICAM. There has never been a Beta machine sold in the UK - and I'm pretty sure anywhere ese - with ANY kind of stereo tuner, let alone with NICAM. In the heyday of Beta the only way to record anything in stereo was to use the simulcast function when a programme's sound was broadcast simultaneously on FM radio. That's long died out. The only way to get stereo into a Beta Hi-Fi machine is in AV mode with a stereo source. I use a cheap Freeview tuner and get quite acceptable results. Of course when the switch-off happens, that or satellite will be the only way to record anything at all off-air, and our excellent tuners will be redundant.

Linear stereo is irrelevant. Neither of the two Sony Hi-Fi stereo machines sold in the UK used it. I'm sure Kevin will correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm dead ignorant about Sanyo, but I don't think they used it either. I'm next to certain that no domestic machines ever recorded in linear stereo. As regards outputs, you get what you select. On an SLHF100 there are two settings, NORMAL, which gives you the pretty poor mono sound recorded from the UHF TV signal, and AUTO, which gives you whatever is on the tape. The machines record a standard and a Hi-Fi signal at the same time. Recordings off-air played with AUTO will be two channel mono in very good quality. Personally, I leave my SLHF100 in AUTO all the time. You can't possibly make a "Hi-Fi stereo recording of a mono broadcast". You CAN make a Hi-fi MONO recording of a stereo broadcast. Hi-Fi and Stereo ain't necessarily the same thing.

There was a bit of a vogue a few years ago for trying to adapt the tuner and audio circuitry of stereo Hi-Fi machines to support NICAM, but I haven't seen anyone mention it for quite a while.

As regards pre-recorded tapes, in AUTO, if there's a Hi-Fi signal present - mono or stereo - that's what you'll get. If there isn't, then you'll get the non-Hi-Fi sound. If you play a tape on a mono machine, that's all you'll get. I suppose that is a sort of detection, but fairly primitive. For once in this life it's actually less complicated than you think! Hope all this is helpful.

Regards,Bill

Ultravixen
Thursday 28th April 2011
9:33 am U.K.

ibex_t@hotmail.com

I'm trying to get my head round the different stereo options Betamax offered, and how this sits with Nicam. Here's a few questions:

1. AFAIK Nicam didn't start broadcasting until 1986, so if a mono TV show was recorded with linear stereo, would there be any audible difference upon playback to if it was recorded on a mono only machine?

2. Same question as above but with a hi-fi stereo recording of a mono broadcast.

3. Can machines with linear stereo / hi-fi stereo automatically detect that a recording has or hasn't been made in either of those audio formats, or is it up to the user to switch the settings on?

4. Same as above, but regarding Sony's noise reduction - is it automatically detectable?

Mikael H
Monday 25th April 2011
11:31 am U.K.

mike.parker@ownit.nu

The TV/VTR switch I mean, what does it do, and does it affect picture/sound quality in any way?

Mikael H
Monday 25th April 2011
11:17 am U.K.

mike.parker@ownit.nu

I have a SL-HF100 with a VTR/TV switch. What does this do?

FUNKII
Sunday 24th April 2011
6:50 pm U.K.

owusujeffrey@hotmail.co.uk

DOES ANYONE HAVE A MULTI-STANDARD BETAMAX MACHINE FOR SALE

dave 1959
Sunday 24th April 2011
10:07 am U.K.

d.macdonald2@btopenworld.com

hello all, im wondering can anybody help me ? 1 bought a betamax video recorder vtc 5000 and im trying to get the connection leads for the machone i stay in edinburgh scotland if anyone can help e. maail me d.macdonald2@btopenworld.com yours dave

charlie
Saturday 23rd April 2011
1:52 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Lauren, Have you tried unplugging it from the wall and then reapplying? If that doesn' work then try removing the belt and rotate the loading ring back to its loaded clockwise position but this time have the carriage go down with to. To do this you can use the belt and rotate the gear on the carriage. You will have to reach in the cassette door and release the carriage and continue to hold the release until its past the catch. Do all this with the power. Unplugged. Once both the carriage and the ring are in their FULLY loaded position put the belt back on and plug her back in.

Lauren H
Saturday 23rd April 2011
5:18 am U.K.

laurenchabib@yahoo.com

One other thing to note - I mentioned in my previous post that a tape had gotten stuck and I had to manually remove it from the machine. I've just watched a quick video of the insides of a working machine, and it appears my gears are still in their respective spots, as if a tape were still in the machine. It seems it never re-set itself. Any idea how to get the gears back to where they're supposed to be? Thank you all kindly for your time!

Lauren H
Saturday 23rd April 2011
5:12 am U.K.

laurenchabib@yahoo.com

Charlie, I moved the gear as you said and the loader didn't budge any more. It appears that once I tried the first time, it went back to its rightful position. When I turn the power on, the gear still runs non-stop, and if i try to load a tape, its in the right position to accept it but it doesn't automatically load.

Ivan
Saturday 23rd April 2011
1:47 am U.K.

ivanloeza@yahoo.com.mx

I have an Sony SL-2500 NTC Betamax VCR with owners manual but I no have the set up guide can anyone can sen me a PDF copy of the SL- 2500 set up guide I can find anywhere or the SL-2500 service manual copy if you can send me

Thank you

ivan
Thursday 21st April 2011
8:14 pm U.K.

ivanloeza@yahoo.com.mx

can anyone send me a copy of the sony PCM-701ES or PCM -f1 owners manual? please i can find anywhere from Sony

Thank you

Richard Sleeman
Thursday 21st April 2011
6:24 pm U.K.

rwsleeman@btinternet.com

Hi everyone.

I am moving house soon and have a quantity of SONY C7 and C5 vcr's, and an NTSC Industrial Duplicator if anybody wants them all free of charge. I live in Caldicot, south Wales. There maybe some tapes as well :-PRichard.

K Lambert
Sunday 17th April 2011
8:53 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Kent

It sounds as if the 'hall effect sensor' has shorted due to the glue Sony used to keep the sensor in place.One way to check is as soon as you press play try to turn center of the top of the head drum with your fingers.If it's the sensor you'll feel resistance until the play mode disengages.If you don't it's a problem on the servo boad.This is getting more common now as the glue becomes conductive after many years and if it get's damp it shotens out the sensor.You will need an old sensor from a Sanyo,Sony or Toshiba capstan or drum motor.Doing this is best left to those with experience, as i've seen two Sony's with damaged heads and one with dry joints to the head drum motor (not unplugging the cable first) down to owners trying to sort these out.

Good luck...............Kevin

kent davison
Sunday 17th April 2011
6:09 pm U.K.

jariswan@aol.com

I have a Sony Beta hi-fi SL-2700 that I purchased new in 1983. It has been a great machine but has developed a problem. It will load and unload tapes ok, but when you push "play" it immediately stops. "FF" and "replay" seem to operate a couple of seconds longer, but also immediately stop. Trouble checks in the manual do not seem to pinpoint the problem. Any ideas as to the cause of the problem would be much appreciated.

charlie
Sunday 17th April 2011
12:30 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Lauren, your carriage might still be in the down position. That motor your talking about does double duty for both the carriage and loading ring. Unplug the power and again remove that belt but this time rotate the gear that's on the carriage in whatever direction moves the holder to its fully upright position. Once your sure that the holder is clear up and the loading ring is still in the load position then put the belt back on ,plug it in and give it a try. Charlie

kev rs2000
Sunday 17th April 2011
10:47 am U.K.

mk2esky@yahoo.co.uk

HI .can anyone help me ,i have a sony SL T30 ME ,with a broken circuit board ,what i want to know is will a circuit board from an SL T50 work with it ,as ive seen one for sale for spares ,thanks .kevin !

Lauren H
Sunday 17th April 2011
7:05 am U.K.

laurenchabib@yahoo.com

Hi everyone,

Thank you so much for your responses. Charlie - taking the belt off got the loader back in its rightful place, thank you! However, now when I turn the power on to load a new tape, one of the gears runs incessantly without stopping. It appears there is a metal stop between the two gears that shifts back and forth to stop the gear from running. Only when I manually move it, or turn the power off, does the gear finally stop running. Any ideas why the gear might be running on its own like that?

Charlie
Saturday 16th April 2011
1:42 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Lauren, Try this -- remove the loading belt located on the right side of the video drum from it gear, It will probably be a toothed belt. Now start turning the gear in whatever direction makes the loading ring around the heads start to move counterclockwise and keep turning it until it's back into the load position. Once it's clear back around put the belt back on and try your tape again.Charlie

charlie
Saturday 16th April 2011
1:04 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Somko, sorry about the misspell. Charlie.

charlie
Saturday 16th April 2011
12:54 pm U.K.

betaman@yahoo.com

Lauren, Does the green power light come on? I think your problem is the same problem that you had with yourHFR30 --- the voltage regulator in the power supply. Did you ever replace that on your 30 ? Smoko might be right about the gear but my money is on the VR. Charlie

B1sSuperHighBand
Saturday 16th April 2011
12:16 pm U.K.

B1sSuperHighBand@yahoo.com

Lauren, WOW!!!!!!!!!!I wonder what that tape looks like that you were able to remove?

Assuming that you didn't destroy any guide posts when withdrawing the tape it appears the loading assembly has a stripped gear.

If you can dissasemble the loader and figure out what gear you need and then find a source for it, all well and good.

If you can't, then find a similar unit, probably on eBay, that has a good loader and cannibalize it.

Hope this helps, Somko.

Lauren H
Saturday 16th April 2011
7:35 am U.K.

laurenchabib@yahoo.com

Hi everyone, I am a total novice trying to fix an old Betamax that I picked up from my parents house. Its a Sony SDL-HFR90, and when I initially plugged it in it was working just fine until I put in another tape and it wouldn't eject. Once I finally got it out and tried another, it appears that the frame that catches the tape when inserted never popped back up to receive the tape. So when the power is on, and I insert a tape, it won't receive it since the frame never popped back up. I hope this is making sense...might anyone have an idea of whats going on or be able to help?

Thank you in advance for any suggestionsLauren

Noel Higgins
Friday 15th April 2011
10:53 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Alex,

You can get belts from Wes components in Sydney Australia.

regards Noel

K Lambert
Tuesday 12th April 2011
11:53 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Alex.

I can easily get those belts needed (X3-M10, X2 -5005)) but i am based in the UK so would'nt be viable.Noel Higgins would be your man.

Please don't retire ANY vcr because or worn belt's/ idlers! So many do this out of fear or not being able to get parts.The ones i come across are always in need of some love ,but work beautifully and very reliably after a good overhaul.Especially as now most are 20 to 30 odd years old and stored for the last ten or so years!!I still think some people want a vcr to work forever without and attention after two, three,four years (depending on useage).Vcr's are like cars, after so many miles/hours useage they need an overhaul/service and vital mechanisms checked,worn parts replaced and necessary items lubed.It does'nt mean ....'oh well it does'nt work off to the scrap heap'.Sadly a lot of todays technology IS treated as such..........which is a shame in some cases.

Good luck.....................Kevin

Alex
Monday 11th April 2011
4:03 pm U.K.

avberk@hotmail.com

Hi,i am a long time betamax owner but it has come to the time that my machines require new belts Models Sanyo VTC-M10 and VTC-5005, would anyone know where i could find the replacement belt kits somewhere around the world, as i am not ready just yet to retire the betamax format

Thank you

Alex

Noel Higgins
Saturday 9th April 2011
8:35 pm U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

Steve,

If the solution that Kevin has suggested does not work try this. The problem of a dead front panel on a C7 apart from the clock working can be caused by the switches in the timer control panel collapsing internally which causes the machine to lockup.You will be able to tell because they have not return action when pressed.

My quick solution if you cant find replacement switches is to remove all of the faulty switches and just leave the remaining good switches to set the clock function.

regards Noel

Ivan
Thursday 7th April 2011
1:36 am U.K.

ivanloeza@yahoo.com.mx

Can anyone send an emali of the sony SL-5800 or SL- 5400 operating manual scan please icant find it anywhere my email is ivanloeza@yahoo.com.mx

Thank you

Ewan mcwhinnie
Wednesday 6th April 2011
8:31 pm U.K.

emcwhinnie@talktalk.net

I have a sony betamax pal SL-F1E which comes complete with power adapter AC -F1E with carry strap and all connections and original storage case.it is in new like condition. i have had it put away for years after inheriting it and am now looking to sell it. from my searches it would appear to be very rare. if any one is interested or have any questions please contact.

K Lambert
Tuesday 5th April 2011
5:30 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Bloombi

I believe the battery for this model is NP1 (NOT NP11 as for their Betamovie).It's a bit longer in size.I think there was an alternative but equivalent for the NP1 that came up new on E-Bay a while ago.You may still be lucky enough to get one.As for the charger i have no idea yet.

Hope this helps..............Kev

bloombi
Monday 4th April 2011
11:25 am U.K.

bloombi@hotmail.com

Sanyo vpr 5800 betacord

hello I got this baby without the battary and the power cable.I looking for help about the power for the video .1. what kind of power ?2 maybe schematics of the device.3 what kind of battary?

any help would be aprichated thanks Avi

fernando
Sunday 3rd April 2011
7:17 pm U.K.

boomsmom2002@yahoo.com

i acquired a brand new looking sears beta scan could someone please tell me what they are going for? it even has the dust cover with it

Stevie Wilson
Sunday 3rd April 2011
10:13 am U.K.

steviewilson@blueyonder.co.uk

Thanks Kev, Ill investigate pronto!

Bill
Sunday 3rd April 2011
8:34 am U.K.

electravibe10@googlemail.com

JJ - The tiny button is for setting and starting the clock.

Regards, Bill

K Lambert
Saturday 2nd April 2011
9:34 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Stevie

I've just found this info on this site in the technical area for the C7.

No functions. Check regulator transistor Q25 [2SC13641] zener diode D)on the system control panel .Hope this helps.............Good luck...............Kev

Stevie Wilson
Saturday 2nd April 2011
8:04 pm U.K.

steviewilson@blueyonder.co.uk

Anyone got any ideas on the C7 problem of dead front panel apart from clock working?

Noel Higgins
Saturday 2nd April 2011
11:47 am U.K.

noelmh@nospam.tpg.com.au

JJ,

One thing to check is if the tape edge is damaged on either side. Sometimes a poorly aligned machine can do that. If it is that changes the position of the tape slightly hence the tracking. You just need to release the flap and observe the tapes surface.

cheers Noel

K Lambert
Friday 1st April 2011
11:31 pm U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi tarik

I believe most were unaware of this Sanyo model including myself.It would seem to be a VTC 5000 with a different fascia and no ability to record.I believe Sanyo made that to get it into rental stores to promote the Beta format and their brand of vcr too.Maybe they decided to alter the front panel appearance and hence the VTC5000 was born.The biggest selling vcr for 1982 gaining Sanyo a total 15% vcr market share in the UK.No bad feat..........Kevin

tarik iqbul
Friday 1st April 2011
5:38 pm U.K.

chris@supercontext.com

i recently saw on e-bay, a sanyo vtc 1000 playback only betamax machine, its the first time i have come across anything like it, has anone any information on this?

K Lambert
Friday 1st April 2011
10:06 am U.K.

kn2000@talktalk.net

Hi Guys.What you really need are some good Beta Hi-Fi recordings(more critical) or even a Sony alignment tape to see how far out the tracking is at dead center.You can control the tracking range from inside the vcr.BUT you need to know which one to turn.As light movement(left to right) of the audio head assembly can put the internal tracking control out too.The head track width and control pulses are very small.If you need the tracking to one extreme end on ALL tapes you play ,it is'nt quite set up as it should be.I also would'nt go random twiddling either as some control pots will put other major settings out, and THAT would be a big headache, if you hav'nt got any means to set these up again.Good quality recordings from a well set up reliable Beta vcr can sometimes gauge how far out your vcr is.Most recordings from other vcr's should only need a minute tweak of the outer tracking control at best.It also depends too how well the one they were recorded on was set up too.Hope this helps...............Kevin

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