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Allan A. Smith
Saturday 4th August 2001
12:55 am U.K.

allasmit@hotmail.com

August 03, 2001 7:47 P.M. est.

To Olive: All front loading Sanyo's have a IR tape sensor on the right side of the idler assy facing the Video Head Drum to detect the presence of and speed of the Video Tape, almost opposite the Dew Sensor. You are probably thinking of the trip gear for loading the cassette into the machine.

To Betadude (what is your real name anyway?) One more test to try - rehook you bad machine up to your T.V and play a tape that you know is good. When you get a good picture going take out your cellphone sit next to your vcr and make a phone call. Watch your T.V. and see if there is any change in the picture quality. If there is no change then its probably not an interference problem. My next best guess would be A bad Capstan (because of the WOW & Flutter in the Audio) You'll probably have to then decide if you want to spend the money for an accurate diagnosis and take it to a shop. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help!

To Karen: It would help if you looked at the back of your machine at the metal plate next to your power cord. On that plate you will see a serial number and a model number (VCR model#----) please let me know the model number. It won't hurt to replace the idler tires and reel belt but its MOST important to see how the tape is getting either entangled and/or torn up! To see this you have to watch the tape being wound and unwound around the Video Head Drum several times. To see this you must 1.) use a cassette with a tape inside it (like Olive suggested) but use one that you don't really need anymore but is still untorn! 2.) Partially disassemble the vcr to that you can observe the Video head Drum , Pins, and Idler Arm (The thing with the pinch roller on it. The following are instructions that will help you exposed the head drum. When you reassemble the unit after inspection you MUST put every screw back in the same position as you took it off! This is especially important for the head shield! Please wear Rubber gloves if [possible while performing this proceedure! 1.) Remove the 4 screws holding the VCR cover in place and pull the cover up and off.2. ) this will expose the Audio/Video Circuit board which is held in place by 2-4 tiny copper plated screws located on the outer edge of the board. Gently remove these screws (do not force them) and when they are off the board should be loose in its position. Gently lift it up to Vertical and Very Gently wedge it into this position using a pencil(you can also try tapeing it in place). This should expose the Video Head Drum Shield (A large steel metal plate held in place by 3-4- screws. Remove these screws but be careful because one of the screws may have a grounding wire attached which you must put back in the exact same position during reassembly. The grounding wire is usually attached to the screw in the upper left corner. Lift the loose shield with your fingertips up and out and put it aside. this should expose the Video Head drum and Idler arm.

Proceedure for observation;1.) Power up the machine and load a cassette with a intact tape inside (but which you wouldn't mind loosing to much).2.) Press the Pause button! This should cause the idler arm to grab the tape and wrap it around the Video Head Drum. Watch what happens to the tape if it becomes entangled turn the power off and with one finger turn the large white screw gear in the upper right corner next to the video head drum with your fingertip to manually unwind the tape until its loose and free it from any entanglements (if it won't come loose then you will have to cut it with a scissors-dont worry you can splice the 2 torn ends together later. Then turn on the power and press the eject button ideally the idler arm should bring almost all of the tape back to the cassette to be rewound and then eject the tape. Repeat this process until you know at what point the tape is getting snagged, entangled or is just not being respooled during the eject proceedure. Once you know this reassemble the machine IN THE EXACT REVERSE ORDER that you took it apart(don't forget to reattach the grounding wire to the screw on the Head Shield. Let me know what you observe. Karen this proceedure is risky for the Amateur I don't recommend it but for $8.00? Best Wishes to you all! Al Smith.

karen
Friday 3rd August 2001
8:20 pm U.K.

kep@hotmail.com

Allan & Olive thanks for your responses.

I played around with my beta a little more last night and here's what I found out. I was using one of the tapes I tried out originally that it ate to see how the eject mechanism worked. I had removed all the tape inside so it was pretty much just the plastic casing. It ejected just fine over and over again. It had no trouble whatsoever, so it's pretty apparent that the machine eating the tapes and getting caught inside is what is causing the problem with ejecting.

Does this tell you anymore about what could possibly be the problem? Does it eliminate any possibilities?

I was figuring that I would try the tune up kit myself unless this new information changes anything. One thing I need to know is should I get the MAJOR or the MINOR tune-up kit? I am fairly handy so I am pretty sure I can manage to change these parts out (unless I have to pretty much disassemble the ENTIRE vcr to get to these parts..I'd have trouble remembering how to put it back together)

Thanks for all your help. Hopefully I will be able to fix it and watch my enormous beta collection again someday.

Karen

BetaDude
Friday 3rd August 2001
5:03 pm U.K.

betamax53@hotmail.com

To Olive: The machine does warm around the power supply area, but I figured that was the transformer and therefore normal (the 500 gets warm, too). I might be able to take the machine apart and check the circuit board for bad solder joints, but I don't have the equipment nor the knewledge to pursue anything further than that. But I'll give that repair place in NY a call. We're @ UMass Amherst so that wouldn't be a killer drive if I had to take the machine in.

BetaDude
Friday 3rd August 2001
4:58 pm U.K.

betamax53@hotmail.com

Alan: The only nearby transmitter I know of is the college radio station tower but that's FM. I don't know if anyone has a CB or Ham station anywhere nearby, but I'll try to find out. The Sat is an 18" DSS-type multi-TV system and according to my roommate (was professional installation), it's setup properly and the signal is nominal. As for the machines themselves, the 300 was located in the living room and the 500 in my bedroom (off-campus apartment). I had moved the 500 out to the 300's location and the picture from the DSS is clear. The 300 was tried in both locations with and without anything connected to it. Made no difference. Also tried the tinfoil suggestion, negative there, too. Any other suggestions?

Ron
Friday 3rd August 2001
8:42 am U.K.

ron.grinham@thameswater.co.uk

I am looking for a betamax video recorder in working condition send me an email if you know where i can obtain one at a reasonable pricethanks

Allan A. Smith
Friday 3rd August 2001
3:11 am U.K.

allasmit@hotmail.com

August 02, 2001 10:55 P.M. est.

Karen; There are at least 4 good reasons for tape eating. 1.) The tape once inserted is not sitting firmly in the rest position within the carriage(thus causing the pinch Roller to lose it as it tries to wrap it around the Head drum). 2.) There is an obstruction in the tape path 3.) The infrared tape sensor is worn out or weak 4.) The loading Motor and/or Belt is worn out. You can try cleaning the tape path and see if that helps. With the cover of the machine off observe what happens when you press the play or pause buttons does the the pinch roller wrap the tape completely around the Video Drum? If it doesn't you could have a worn loading belt, loading motor or the gears that drive the loading ring may need a small amount lubrication. Problems with the loading carriage or the infrared tape sensor, or replacing the loading motor need to be looked at by a technician! Best Wishes Al. Smith

karen
Friday 3rd August 2001
2:43 am U.K.

kep@hotmail.com

I just purchased a sanyo betacord from a thrift store. It was only $8 so I figured I would give it a shot to see if it would work. It plays perfectly (suprisingly well actually).....except it eats tapes and has trouble ejecting (it does eject but it takes a couple tries).

I looked at the repair info on this site and read about the pinch roller. However I wasn't sure if this could also cause the beta to eat the tapes. Would replacing this part most likely solve both problems? If not what other part problems might be causing the eating of the tapes? Is this usually a simple cheap repair or is it usually a more expensive one? I'm just trying to decide what I should do with this newly aquired beta as I can't spend a lot of money fixing it in my current financial state. Thanks for your help.

Karen

BetaDude
Thursday 2nd August 2001
11:16 am U.K.

betamax53@hotmail.com

Alan: It's definately the VCR cuz the same tapes play perfectly fine on my other deck, which is an SL-HF500. And when my 300 does work OK, these same tapes play fine. Quite a few tapes I used were actually recorded on the 300 from DirecTV. And I mentioned, the machine was working perfectly up until about 2 weeks ago (nor has it been moved or anything from the living room).

I also tried recording on my 300 when in the "weird" mode and the video noise and color washout can be seen cleary when played back on the 500. I was able to actually grab some shots of the TV screen with a digital camera and I'll post them to some website. I think they may show more cleary than I can describe what exactly is happening.

But for now, my 500 is working perfectly fine I'm subbing it for the 300 until I can either figure out what the problem is or find a repair place to take a look at it. Just to add: My dream would be to get a "nice" deck like a 750, 900, 870D, etc. But being a poor college student, I don't really have the big bucks that they go for. :(

Allan A. Smith
Thursday 2nd August 2001
4:26 am U.K.

allasmit@hotmail.com

August 02,2001 12:02A.M.est.

Betadude; All the symptoms you describe (except the horizontal snow line) can be caused by HEAVY DUTY outside Radiofrequency or Microwave interference which penetrates the chassis and affects the circuits this fact plus the fact that it only occurs intermittently make me feel that somehow this is the cause. In opposition your other machine works perfectly! Questions to ask yourself are 1.) How big is your Sattelite dish? and how strong is its signal(?overload) 2.) Are there any Microwave or Radio towers in your vicinity. 3.) Does your problem still occur after you have disconnected your input source(try doing this)? 4.) Is your Bad Machine physically located near your good machine? 5.) Do you know of anybody near you who has a CB or Amateur Radio transmitter? It may be something else but this is whatI'm guessing it might because I've experienced this problem. Let me know some answers and maybe I'll be able to give you some concrete suggestions. Olive has good ideas for you also!Best Wishes! Al Smith.

Olive Thomas
Thursday 2nd August 2001
1:54 am U.K.

OllieGurl@McKeesRockOnline.pa

Since you've been able to rule out hinkey tapes as the trouble my next guess would be an electronical failure either of loosened solder on a PC board or perhaps of something overheating (which would explain intermittant nature of the failure). A people have mentioned dried out capaciters as the source of their VCR problems. While maybe you can fix a cracked solder joint if it's obvious it sounds like your Beta needs expert care

There are Beta repairmen out there and unless you have some electronics expertise and the right test equipment you might want to have it checked out.

Here's the one I know for the Eastern US

Karl Kosower Electronic Services575 East Line Road Ballston Spa, NY 12020 518-885-7606

$45 initial test fee aplied to repair job - two weeks to a month turnaround.

Absolute Beta at URL

http://www.videos.net/absolutebeta/

also has a repair service - about the same fee and time. They're located in Remington VA

Ray Glasser's The Ultimate Betamax Video Guide

http://www.geocities.com/videoholic2000/index.html

Has a list of Beta repair places in the US

By the way if overheating seems to be a problem you might try better ventilation of the VCR, maybe attaching a small cooling fan in the back...

Olive Thomas
Wednesday 1st August 2001
10:25 pm U.K.

OllieGurl@McKeesRockOnline.pa

Anybody know how to lubricate a BMC 220 lens properly? I'm asking as a preventitive maintainace question as the lubricant on the one I'd bought recently seems a little thinned out. It had made a hot trip across county and the AF was sticking a bit till I cleaned the worst of the grit off of it. Maybe that the problem with Monty Ward's betacam above me. It's been pretty hot out west (where I'd got my camera from)...

Mad Beta Collector
Wednesday 1st August 2001
6:14 pm U.K.

PRShuttleworth@hotmail.com

Sigh...It's been a disapointing month for me, I hope this month is better...someone given me a old macintosh. well that has cheered me up but no more than looking at my collection of beautiful betamaxs and thanks again barry knapper for the pressie...Nothing much to say except I will be going to canada at end of this month so I will find out if the beta vcr is a RCA or not... (I bet it isn't but one way to find out..)Gotta go :-)

Montgomery Ward
Wednesday 1st August 2001
5:33 pm U.K.

latinopikachu@yahoo.com

Hello everyone! I have a Betamovie BMC-100, and I was wondering what could be causing an intermittent loading problem. I have replaced replaced the loading belt. Sometimes, the tape pulls up a little too far over the pin next to the drum, and I can tell when it's not going to record because the tape sounds as if it's being pulled taut against the video drum. (and it sounds like it's eating the tape but it's not.) Any help would be appreciated.

Lucrezia
Wednesday 1st August 2001
4:38 pm U.K.

lucreziagalaxy@aol.com

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rob aldis
Wednesday 1st August 2001
10:16 am U.K.

raldis@tempo.co.uk

Morning everyone, you all sound like a freindly lot, I have a mission to find a Beta vcr for my partners uncle, I must admit I was 6 when my dad chucked out our old Beta vcr so I couldnt understand why when I go to "uncle Andy s" he only has beta and all he goes on about is beta, really the only reason I could see was that he is 74yrs and dosnt get out much, he wouldnt need to if he had a pc cos he would be talking to you lot all day.So what I need is a Sony Beta vcr in good nick, can anyone help with how I can buy one or where to dig for one.

Rgds,

Rob, Southeast.

Graham
Wednesday 1st August 2001
8:20 am U.K.

gsh38@ic24.net

Just to add to that it was the 12july when he put is advert and he even put is email down as tumblebumble[could have been a mistake,tumbledumble ??]

Graham
Wednesday 1st August 2001
8:10 am U.K.

gsh38@ic24.net

hello,just dropping you all aline to beware of what machines you purchase on ebay.co.uk.I have purchased asony c7 which was in full working order? to find that it does not load tapes ,full of dirt ,so it has not been used for years and the tuner is faulty.SO ihave paid 78.00 inc del for aload of old rubbish.It was an advert on this site[james [tumble dumble] SO BEWARE!!

Allan A. Smith
Wednesday 1st August 2001
7:00 am U.K.

allasmit@hotmail.com

August 01, 2001 2:49 A.M. est.

Betadude; I tend to agree with olive in that maybe you might have some bad tapes. Also the diagonal lines that move from the lower right of the picture tend to indicate a external source of extremely powerfull Radiofrequency Interference of the CB or Amateur Radio type.You might try adding or increasing the number of interference filters on your input connection or if worst comes to worst construct a enclosure of aluminum foil (the brute force method as told to me by the F.C.C.), and see if that helps! Best Wishes; Al Smith!

Olive Thomas
Wednesday 1st August 2001
4:19 am U.K.

OllieGurl@McKeesRockOnline.pa

To above... Did you happen to notice if it happens on a particular tape or a particular point on a tape? It may be nothing more simple that a badly bunged section of videotape. I once pulled open a tapeshell to find that some hosehead actually TIED the two broken ends of tape together to fix them! The quickest way to sever a head other then pissing off Don Corleone...

BetaDude
Wednesday 1st August 2001
1:20 am U.K.

betamax53@hotmail.com

Hello Beta Peoplez,

I own a Sony SL-HF300 deck that I bought about a year ago. Up until about 2 weeks ago, it was working flawlessly. However, every now and then it goes from normal playback into this really weird "color-washout-and-distortion" situation (for lack of better way to describe).

Like, if I'm watching a tape when the deck plays normally, at sometime during the movie, a horizonal line of snow or static noise appears on the very bottom of the TV screen. It stretches across the whole width of the screen and is about a half-inch thick. Then the hifi sound starts filling up with crackling static before the picture gets washed out with what looks like a color spectrum (a good example of this happens w/ skin tones - a white person in the picture will suddenly have blue or green skin and they'll be all sorts of other weird or inverted colors!). Just after this happens, a line of noise flashes through the picture diagonally from the lower-right to upper-left of the screen. The hifi sound fluctuates in sync with this video noise, but the linear sound is still normal. Sometimes just leaving the VCR on for awhile in stop mode or shutting it off for a day or so will trigger either "normal" mode or weird "mode" or vice versa (50/50 chance) when I try to play a tape.

I don't think this problem is being caused by bad or dirty video heads cuz when the VCR does play normally, the picture is very sharp and clear. But I tried cleaning them using 3 different head cleaners (Sony L-25, Discwasher & an Allsop3) as well as taking the machine apart and doing a manual cleaning. This has no effect at all.

It almost seems to me that either the tape is playing at the wrong speed when in the "weird" mode or the tracking circuits are intermittant or failing. I suspect this cuz the the tracking control has no effect on the picture at this time.

But anyhow, sorry for the long post but I wanted to try and describe my problem as accurately as possible based on my observations. Does anyone here have a 300 that might have experienced similar behavior, and if so, what was the cause and/or what did you do about it? Is it possibly a mechanical or electronic problem?

I'd like to keep my 300 since it's in mint condition cosmetically. Even that little flipdown panel that commonly broke under the display is perfectly intact on mine.

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