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James
Sunday 14th October 2007
6:35 pm U.K.

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Colin: I have a capacitor wizard, which works quite well, with a needle movement indicating good, compare or bad. Not quite as good as your Atlas. I have found that all the surface mount electrolytics needed replacing in my Panasonic, and Panasonic actually sell capacitor kits (an expensive way to buy caps). I retro fit standard radial caps. As long as the original caps haven't leaked and you don't damage tracks after removing the old onesI always thought secam couldn't be edited and had to be transcoded to PAL.In this manual i have, it mentions a secam high band alignment tape (RR5-1SB-SECAM) as well as the pal high band alignment tape (RR5-1SB-PAL), leading me to think they were recorded different. The manual also refers to a 924khz colour under sub carrier, but i think this is the same for PAL high-band as well. So, i'm not sure...I'm sure with 1" C format, it recorded the same as PAL and we changed a card on the input, to secam in and a card on output to get secam out. A lot of Sony stuff was denoted 'PS' pal/secam.Will post if i find out more about HB/SP secam.

Sebastien Martinez
Wednesday 10th October 2007
10:22 am U.K.

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Hello, I have a VO6800 recorder and i would like to know wich kind of tapes fits with it, and where i can buy them

thank you

colin99
Tuesday 9th October 2007
6:38 pm U.K.

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James:Re capacitors, have you tried a Atlas ESR60? Perhaps borrow one (they cost Ł89 to buy). It's a magic unit which tests the Effective Series Resistance of capacitors, see mine here:http://www.colin99.co.uk/extras/jvc_psu_3.jpgAs you can see, it's detected a duff capacitor in a JVC power supply, in this case low value but several others in the PSU had the right value but terrible ESR. A session with one of these may show up more capacitor trouble in your old Panasonic.

Re the Umatic Secam High-band: What I'm trying to find out is whether Secam High-band or SP recordings, are still is Secam. They may be transcoded to PAL for the recording then back again at playback. I know low band Secam recordings really are Secam recordings, but High-band and SP may not be. Are there any hints in the user manual?

By comparison, crummy old VHS records Secam as a Secam recording. But slightly less crummy S-VHS records Secam as PAL, so a PAL S-VHS player will play a recording from a Secam S-VHS recorder.

I'm trying to find out whether I need a High Band/SP Secam Umatic player to be able to cover all Secam Umatic tapes. Tricky eh? From what I can see, Secam wasn't used much in studios, they tended to work in PAL because it's easier to edit with, then convert to PAL at the transmit stage.

Regards,

Colin

Erasmo
Friday 5th October 2007
3:28 pm U.K.

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Does anyone have a PAL U-MATIC deck available for sale?

James
Wednesday 3rd October 2007
12:41 pm U.K.

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Thanks, will keep an eye out for an FS -200, as there seems to be a problem with my AG-8600, despite changing all the bad capacitors. Another model that has built in TBC and is of pro quality is the AG-4700

Regarding secam high band U-matic, i have a manual for the BVU-50S, which is a high band secam portable u-matic from 1979. I think there was a secam version of the BVU -200 as well.

colin99
Sunday 30th September 2007
9:54 pm U.K.

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To James re VHS with TBC:I'm impressed with a Panasonic NV-FS200 I picked up on eBay for next to nothing. The TBC can perform nothing short of miracles on some otherwise unplayable tapes, and the Digital Dropout Compensator is a real bonus too. I've once had a multi-generation tape though which played better with the TBC switched off. The FS200 is a TBC-equipped version of the FS88 (I have one of those too).

PS: Re that VP9000 Umatic I repaired (just to get back on topic!), I measured the current through the N25 ICP (fuse) to the 5V rail derived on the servo panel and it was around 240mA. It is now fitted with the proper N25 having obtained some cheaply from Cricklewood Electronics.

PPS: Still looking for an answer as to whether SECAM recordings existed in High/SP band, or was it only on Low Band where SECAM was recorded differently to PAL onto the tape?

Colin

serpico009
Friday 28th September 2007
6:27 pm U.K.

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thanks Roderick, giving it a try now. It gets used infrequently here at the office to dub copies from old SP masters, it may collect some dust. But god knows what it went through before we bought it! They're easy to replace cause the used ones are fairly cheap in the US but the catch is you end replacing them after a year. I'm fairly competent in a DIY, learn-as-you go kind of way but I don't have the skills to fix these things or replace parts.

Roderick
Thursday 27th September 2007
10:25 pm U.K.

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Serpico,It sounds like the machine you are using has had a rough life! Have you tried cleaning the heads? When you do, make sure to also clean the ACE head (big black thing in the tape path before the drum). It reads the control pulses from the tape which could be the cause of the 'rolling picture'.

serpico009
Thursday 27th September 2007
5:17 pm U.K.

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Buckethead: Thanks so much, that did the trick! I had to do it 3 or 4 times but it finally worked. Once the tape was retracted I just manually ejected it using the wheel, no problem.

But (there's always a but!) a new problem has arisen: very bad picture output! I've tried both of the vid outs (2) and it is outputting a very noisy picture, lots of static/snow and some rolling bars.

The signal goes from the Umatic to a VCR and from the VCR to the monitor. I checked all the connections and the bad signal originates from the Umatic. I fear I did something irreprable when I fixed the other problem.

colin99
Wednesday 26th September 2007
11:01 pm U.K.

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SECAM on Umatic:Can someone answer this please: We all know that PAL and NTSC recordings can be in low, high band or SP. But I've only ever seen SECAM on low band machines. Is this because (like VHS to S-VHS) SECAM was not natively supported by the High Band and SP machines, but instead transcoded to PAL for recording?

The reason this matters is I want to be able to cover every possible Umatic tape, and SECAM High/SP seems elusive, hopefully because it doesn't exist.

Thanks for any help,

Colin

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colin99
Wednesday 26th September 2007
10:32 pm U.K.

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Re VP9000: Fixed it! The 5V supply from the servo panel, which is distributed to logic around the machine, is derived from a 12V line via a discreet regulator. In the circuit is a N25 semiconductor fuse, that's 1A fast-blow. It was reading 600 Ohms. I replaced it for tonight with a subminiature 1A glass fuse and the machine runs fine. I'll order up a N25 fuse later.

How about that, and without a service manual!

Colin

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colin99
Wednesday 26th September 2007
5:36 pm U.K.

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VP9000 not running - help!I've bought a VP9000 (USA model) which I need urgently for playing some NTSC High Band tapes. The machine arrived in a strange state, the loading ring was almost completely laced up despite no tape being in there and the carriage being up. I powered up the machine on a big 110V transformer, and the head drum sat there spinning. Dolby and SP LEDs lit on the front but no other lights (ie no counter display), which is all very wrong.

I wound the loading ring back to the start position and powered up again, and usually the head would just spin (eventually going slower but never stopping). Occasionally at power up the loading motor would run for a moment so getting it closer to the almost-laced position again. No other response.

I suspect a PSU fault but have no diagrams for this model. Any help most appreciated. Anyone else seen this kind of problem?

Thanks!

Colin

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Werner
Friday 21st September 2007
4:59 pm U.K.

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Hi all,I've got a serious problem concerning my Vo-5800PS.When I insert the tape, it goes in fine, but when it is in, it automatically start Fast-Forwarding the tape. Pressing the Stop or any other key doesn't do anything. After 1,5 minutes of tape forwarding it stops.None of the key work now, except the Eject key (which is a relief :-)).But I can't get the tape to Rewind or Play.Anyone had this issue before, or even better, know how to solve this?Thanks for your respons(es).Werner

colin99
Friday 21st September 2007
3:59 pm U.K.

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Wanted

I require a working NTSC Umatic player (or recorder) which can accept large and small tapes. Importantly it must be able to play High Band / SP format recordings, so the VP5030 and similar machines are unsuitable. What would be appropriate would be an NTSC VO-9600 or VP-9000 designed for the USA market for example. The 110V mains requirement is not an issue.

Price must be sensible including UK shipping.

Cheers all,

Colin

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buckethead
Friday 21st September 2007
1:48 pm U.K.

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serpico009, try this : Remove the top cover. Pop up the hinged pc board that covers the reel table. What you need to do is activate the optical cam sensors (side by side at 1 o'clock). I found it easiest to do if you remove the single screw from the sensor mounting bracket and swing it up for access. You might be able to do it in place, if you have the patience and dexterity. Cut a piece of cardboard from a cereal box, about three or four inches long and 1/4 inch wide, and bend it to form an L shape. Starting with the power off, insert the cardboard L into the left sensor only (the one closest to 12 o'clock). Keeping that sensor activated, rotate or push the cardboard tool so that both left and right sensors are activated. Next, remove the tool from both sensors and the unit should unload the tape.

serpico009
Wednesday 19th September 2007
4:20 pm U.K.

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Roderick, sorry my wording was a bit convoluted. I have the Umatic hooked up to a VCR, and I'm recording VHS copies from some of our older Beta-SP masters. Def not jamming a VHS tape into the Umatic!

Buckethead, first off awesome name! My friend and I have gotten way into "The Elephantman's Alarm Clock", great album. We've gone through 3 used Umatic units within the past 2 years or so, and in at least one case it was because of a cracked or worn out belt (which a local repair shop would have fixed for $300!). I've had this happen before when I let the tape Umatic tape run to the end, and have fixed it by alternating between FF and RW until the tape catches.

"I manually activated the final loading solenoid and that unloaded the tape so it could be ejected." I'd like to try this, what should I be looking for inside the unit?

Thank you again, you guys are princes.

come
Wednesday 19th September 2007
3:53 pm U.K.

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Hi there Umatic fans ;)

I was wondering if there is any way to remotely control a VO-5800PS (which has a 33 pins remote connector) with traditional 9pin rs422 protocol? Via wiring or via a convertion box?

Thanks!

buckethead
Wednesday 19th September 2007
3:01 am U.K.

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craig, nigel and serpico009 : I have a sony vo-9600 which was doing the same thing, loading the tape and then locking into standby mode. I manually activated the final loading solenoid and that unloaded the tape so it could be ejected.

What caused the problem was the belt located at 9 o'clock on the reel table (12 o'clock being the rear of the unit). When the belt gets old and stretched it loses the necessary bite to move the tape loading arm to the final lock-in. My replacement belt was a square .075 x 4.4".

With no cassette in the unit, the composite ring with a wide cam to trip the two side by side sensors activates both. Note the sensors at about 1 o'clock. When a tape is put in and lowered by the loading motor, the cam is rotated to the rightmost sensor only. When play is pressed and the loading arm loads the tape around the head, the cam should rotate and activate the leftmost sensor only. With the belt stretched or slipping, the cam will stop just short of the leftmost sensor and voila, "standby mode" is activated.

Hope this helps !!

Roderick
Tuesday 18th September 2007
9:42 pm U.K.

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Serpico, this doesn't make sense!You're playing a VHS tape in a U-matic machine? Where does the Betacam tape comes into play?What machines are you using?

Anyway, if you are using old stock it may be suffering from 'sticky tape' syndrome. Try manually resetting and ejecting the tape by turning the worm wheel on the right hand side of the loading mechanism. Takes a while and is boring but your best bet.

serpico009
Tuesday 18th September 2007
3:54 pm U.K.

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Afternoon, I'm hoping someone has advice for the following problem

I was dubbing a VHS tape from a VO-9600, using a Beta SP tape. The Beta SP tape played to the end and now will not eject, rewind, fast forward, etc. The Umatic is in standby mode. I've had the top and bottom of the unit off to see what could be done; the tape is still wrapped around the drum head, and it looks like possibly there is not enough tape/slack left for the unit to catch? At any rate, when powered on the head spins for about 2 seconds then whirrs to a stop. If I press and hold rewind when powering the unit up, the indicator light illuminates briefly and then the unit goes into standby mode. Is it possible to manually rewind the tape when it is in this psition?

doctor
Monday 17th September 2007
12:43 pm U.K.

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The Value of home recordings

Do you have tapes full of old TV shows you recorded in the seventies? Don't throw everything away without looking!

This may come as a surprise to some, but TV studios until recently did not keep tapes of everything. The tape was expensive and so it was recycled, or thrown away. Some well-known examples of series with episodes gone missing are "Dad's army" (one or two episodes missing) and "The avengers" (first series missing) and "Doctor Who" (over a hundred missing episodes).

If you are about to junk your early tapes, check http://www.missing-episodes.com first. Just to make sure.

James
Tuesday 4th September 2007
9:52 pm U.K.

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Hello, anyone have any experience using the BVT-810P TBC with the the VO-5850P or VO-9600P u-matic (low band). I know the BVT-810P is intended for use with BVU high band/sp u-matics.There was never a low band machine with TBC and just working out best way to transfer some low band tapes. I also believe the VO-9600P would give a better picture than the older VO-5850P.Also, off topic, looking at transfering vhs-dvd using machine with TBC, for a better transfer. A good machine that comes to mind is the Panasonic AG-8600 (player with built in TBC), i believe one of the last industrial models Panasonic made. My question is, do domestic machines give a better picture (forgetting about TBC) due to HQ circuits and similar playback enhancements that perhaps the older industrial machines dont have. Modern vhs decks seem to give a very good picture with very little dropout. Obviously, a domestic machine doesnt allow for connection of external TBC.Any thoughts on best machine for transfer? I always rate the Panasonics over the JVC and Sony, but the Panasonics are prone to cap failure.

Andy
Monday 3rd September 2007
12:37 pm U.K.

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I would go for eBay. Everything sells over there.

O Web
Thursday 30th August 2007
5:02 pm U.K.

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Hello-I'm trying to sell two U-Matic players- one is a VP-7020 player and the other is a VO-9850 player/recorder. They both work great.

Would anybody know of a good place to post this info? Or is anybody interested, perhaps?

Thanks!

Roderick
Monday 20th August 2007
10:19 pm U.K.

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Hi Jonothan, Welcome! There should be no problem connecting the 'Video out' to the 'Video in' of your flatscreen. You won't need a 'magic' box. Could you possibly have used the wrong connector on your Scart? Some of them are confusing with their labelling. Or, as most flatscreens have multiple inputs, just try a normal 'Video in' to make sure all is working.The TV 8-pin connector has the same signal as the 'Video out'. It was an old system which connected both inputs and outputs to modified TV's to allow you to record 'off-air'.

Jonathan Shine
Monday 20th August 2007
10:20 am U.K.

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Hi There! Great Site! I recently obtained a SONY VO-5800 and need any assistance anyone can give me in hooking this up to a flatscreen tv. I recently tried with a BNC (with Phonos) from the output BNC slot on the Umatic to a scart input on the monitor but no signal was recieved. I'm sure I need some kind of analogue to digital converter box but I also notice there is an 8-pin "TV" slot on the back of the player. Does anyone know if I can get this "TV" lead from anywhere, and if so, whether it will allow me to receive a picture on my flatscreen? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks.

Eric Schwab
Thursday 16th August 2007
5:24 pm U.K.

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Hi,I have a Sony VP-7020 that currently has a tape stuck in it. It will not eject nor play, rewind or fast forward. I know there is a work around if you open it up, but I want to do it correctly. Can anyone help?

Thanks.Eric

Andy Princz
Monday 13th August 2007
6:50 am U.K.

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Hi there,Looks like the gears shifted (moved, jumped) during shipping and must restore them to their original position.Meantime I did find a manual for the U-Matic, so I hope my tech guy can fix it.

GreetingsAndy

Roderick
Sunday 12th August 2007
10:50 pm U.K.

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Andy,

What do you mean by 'timing for VO-5800 '?

Andy Princz
Wednesday 8th August 2007
10:45 am U.K.

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Hi, URGENT!!!!!!!!Does anybody knows where one can instructions for timing the VO-5800 PS??

ThanksAndy

Maciek Szymanski
Saturday 4th August 2007
9:48 pm U.K.

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My VO-5850 recorder has problems with sound recording. As I don't have the service manual nor schematic I've to do some reverese-engineering ;-) and I'm not sure about head functions of this machine. There are two linear heads and I suppose taht one is combined record/playback head for audio and CTL tracks and the other one is the erase head. Or I'm worng?

Maciek Szymanski
Saturday 4th August 2007
9:44 pm U.K.

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Natale, I'm afraid I can't help to much - I don't know VO-6800 mechanism. The question is if there is no tension signal due to the swith failure or the mechanism failure. Have you looked at the open machine when the failure occurs? Is the switch activated or not? And when the failure occurs - just after the tape load or during the play operation?

Maciek

Andy Princz
Friday 3rd August 2007
1:31 am U.K.

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Hi there,Just purchased a Sony VO-5800 PS recorder, it all looked good and very promising till we put the cass in. It starts up and loads ok but the minute it wraps itself around the drum it reverses everything and pulls the tape back like I was shutting it off. (The recorder does not shot itself off).Any help will be appreciated. Got my technician trying to figure it out but this is the first time he's seen a 3/4" machine.ThanksAndy

colin99
Thursday 2nd August 2007
7:00 pm U.K.

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Anyone know of a high-band mod for the VP5040? In particular I want to be able to play high band NTSC tapes (I already have a high/sp machine for PAL). Thanks for any help.

colin

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Stone
Thursday 2nd August 2007
5:54 pm U.K.

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Hi, does someone knows the new-prices of the U-Matic-machines an the year of production (starting production) ?

Natale
Wednesday 1st August 2007
3:16 pm U.K.

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To Maciek Szymanski

Hi Maciek. First of all, I thank You for Your answer.

However, I have tried to clean the Tension Regulator switch, but nothing is changed.

In my opinion the problem can concern the playback tension, therefore, the tension regulator solenoid or the tension regulator arm.

I attend Your opinion.

Thank You in advance for any suggestions.

Natale

Bryan
Monday 30th July 2007
6:51 am U.K.

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Hi, looking for a Sony CCY cable to connect U-matic decks to the BVT-2000 time base corrector - pref in working order but will consider one if it needs a little TLC. Cheers all, Bryan - Auckland NZ

Martin Kiszko
Sunday 29th July 2007
8:46 pm U.K.

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Hi and help,

I have a Low band V5800 PS. The video OP suddenly stopped sending me pictures. I get sound only. In terms of image, all I get is black with the odd white line and occasionally can see a bit of text that was on the tape.Does anyone know nwhether this is a head cleaning issue? if so where can I get a tape to clean it? If not, has anyone got a ceap replacement out there?

Best Martin

Maciek Szymanski
Sunday 29th July 2007
8:14 pm U.K.

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Natale, I don't know this particular machine but in first shot I'd suspect the TEN REG switch. I supose it's a lever which detects the tape tension and trigers an optical gate. These gates are very reliable but tend to get dirty after some time. As you have the service manual - locate the switch and clean it troughtly with a brush or compressed air.

Natale
Sunday 29th July 2007
4:22 pm U.K.

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Hello. I acquired a Sony VO-6800PS u-matic portable recorder a couple of years ago, and it worked fine until recently. Yesterday the "tape slack" warning lamp has began to flash.

Today, with the help of the self-diagnostics function and of the service manual, I have uncovered the displayed conditions correspond to the signal "1001 1L" (The REEL STOP signal is not produced after 2 second passed; the TEN REG switch is not turned on in the tension release mode).

What can I do?

Thank You in advance for any suggestions (I prefer to begin any discussions in this chat-page).

Natale

Sarah, Way of the Goose
Tuesday 24th July 2007
11:54 am U.K.

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Hello, I'm from Way of the Goose, we're a charity in Coventry, UK (website - www wayofthegoose dot com)We have a stack of U-matic equipment in our store cupboard that we'd like to sell.* Sony players, VCRs & a portable VCR ( VO5800, VO5630, VP5030)* JVC portable VCR (PR-4800E)* Some lo-band & U-matic-S cassettesThere are also a few Hitachi cameras and some Sony Helical Scan video reels...Please get in touch for further info, photos etc.Thanks! Sorry for the long post! :)

Maciek Szymanski
Saturday 21st July 2007
5:58 pm U.K.

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I've wired the KY-150 board and replaced cracked capactior on it - and the VP900 works!

Nigel Rea
Thursday 12th July 2007
2:09 pm U.K.

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Thanks Roderick, I lifted up the circuit board covering the drum and checked the tape path. I touched the switch with the red light soon after the tape comes out of the cassette. This set the machine into life and managed to eject the tape.

Now playing a not very precious tape to check it again and it works.

Ian Culver
Monday 9th July 2007
1:00 pm U.K.

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Hello,I'm after any Gary Numan videos on any format especially U-matic and Betamax. Please can anyone help. I'll pay good money. Please can you help. I know there must be some out there somewhere. If you can help please email me at [email protected] Thanks

Maciek Szymanski
Sunday 8th July 2007
7:29 pm U.K.

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Hello!I've the VP-9000P player which was damaged during transport. The search knob was pushed inside the case and caused the front PCB (KY-105E or 1-622-391-65, but I suppose the first one is the board number) break. Maybe somebody out there has a dead VP-9000 or other machine with the same board and want to (cheaply) get rid of it before I'll start wiring my broken one? I can also trade it for a RM-500 remote. I'm from Poland, so I'll prefer european offers due to shipping costs and customs issues. If you are replying directly to my e-mail please remove ".NO_SPAM" from the address.

Roderick
Monday 2nd July 2007
1:28 pm U.K.

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Nigel / Craig,

It has been a few years since I played with a 5630 but the most likely cause of the problem is that the lacing of the tape wasn't completed or one of the switches along the path wasn't activated properly. Best advice I can give is to see if you can manually, by carefully turning the worm wheel on the side of the cassette tray, complete the lacing. Another trick is to check all the little switches along the way to see if they are closed. Best of luck!

Craig Felsmann
Sunday 1st July 2007
9:16 am U.K.

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Nigel: l have an identical problem with my VO 5630. l posted a message a month before you, and as yet, have not heard from anyone who might be able to give me an idea as to the fault. Craig.

Donald Quinn
Friday 29th June 2007
1:39 am U.K.

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Help! I just bought some 11 u-matic items on auction. I am delighted to have found this site. It would be nice to know if someone out there would be interested in buying any of the items that I have available: 4-each vo-9600, vo-9800, vp-7020,vp-5000,v0-9850, vp-5020, vo-5600, and vp-9000. I was in the process of determining a proper price for the items, when I stumbled across your site. Thanks for the information provided thus far. Please email should you desire to purchase any of the above. Thank you, Captain Donald Quinn.

Roderick
Wednesday 27th June 2007
11:19 am U.K.

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Steve,

A 5800 will only play low band tapes. You will need a 9800 or 9850 to play both. If you buy a NTSC machine, it will play NTSC but there are no multi-standard 5800's. A 7 series machine will play PAL, SECAM and NTSC but only low band.

Nigel Rea
Monday 25th June 2007
4:05 pm U.K.

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After loading a tape in to my VO 5630 it laced up and stayed in Stand By mode.

Could I have advice on how to rewind or take out the tape without damaging it.

Other tapes have been OK.

Thanks

Steve Wilson
Monday 25th June 2007
2:32 pm U.K.

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Hi, I am thinking of getting a 5800 but want to know two things. 1) Will it play back low band and high band tapes and 2) Will it play an NTSC tape.

Thanks Steve

Frank HL
Monday 18th June 2007
3:53 am U.K.

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Hi,

Can I just check whether anyone knows where to get a service manual for the Sony BVU-950P. Have been getting an "Error 10" code and my deck wouldn't accept any tapes.

Thanks for any help.

Best rgds,HL

Patrick Kirby
Monday 11th June 2007
4:02 pm U.K.

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FOR SALE Sony KCA60,KCA30 used low-band tapes Sony BCT90,60,30 used Betacam SP tapes Sony VO5850 Edit Recorder Sony RM440 Edit Controller Sony BVW10 Betacam Player (SP mod) Panasonic AU650/750 M2 Edit recorders Aston & Chyron caption generators Video & Audio Distribution Amps etc etc Please call Pat or Roy (+44) (0) 208 974 6050 for details

Dave Meehan
Sunday 10th June 2007
4:03 pm U.K.

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Thanks guys for the info.I have purchased a Sony VO 9800P which plays LO HI & SP.I am converting a large music archive for a record label in the U.K to DVD.We have a Sonic Scenarist Pro DVD setup that we use for commercial DVD Production.If anyone requires conversion & pro DVD authoring to DLT or DVD-R etc give me a shout as we can do this even with the samllest of budgets.Thanks again

Dave Meehan.Nyquest DVDProductionswww.nyquest.co.uk

Roderick
Sunday 3rd June 2007
8:37 am U.K.

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Dave & David,I can confirm the the VO-9800 and VO-9850 will play Low, Hi and SP tapes, but only in one format (mine are PAL but I assume that there is a NTSC version). The VO-7040 will play both PAL and NTSC but only Low-band.

David
Friday 1st June 2007
11:42 pm U.K.

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VP 5030 rewind.

I now realise the drive to the idler is via a belt accessed from underneath.Hence I guess screeching noise is that slipping. I don't want to mess too much in case it beaks.

I have removed and measured the belt.Looking in CPC catalogue closest size is either 68.5 or 70.5mm diameter 2.2mm square.Can anyone confirm the original specification?

I see there is also a belt for the mechanism that loads/unloads tape around the head but not so easy to remove.Hence again details the size required would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

David
Friday 1st June 2007
10:38 pm U.K.

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Here is link to Sony VP-7040 brochure

http://www.bcs.tv/pdf/model/10658/sony_vp-7040.pdf

Nothing says it is high band and no SP logo on the panels.

I will be corrected but for a SP / Hi / Lo band machine I believe you need to look for VP 9*** series or some of the BVU series.

JVC PR-8800E is high band only.

Dave Meehan
Friday 1st June 2007
3:52 pm U.K.

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Hi I am looking for a Umatic playback only machine that will play SP, Hi & Lo band.Anyone got one for sale?Have seen a few 7040's for sale but confusing reports on the net saying lo band player only, then someone else claims plays SP 7 Hi band also.Anyone got a list of players only that play all flavours?Also PAL 7 NTSC playback would be good but not essential.

Thanks In Advance.

Dave Meehan.

David
Thursday 31st May 2007
9:51 pm U.K.

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Sony VP 5030 advice.

I posted a while ago about black & white playback on a JVC-8800E.Thanks for the advice that model is high band only and tapes I have likely to be low band.

I have just bought a Sony VP5030 for Ł5 !!I have thoroughly cleaned tape path and heads. Playback basically working with video in colour.However with tracking control in the centre no picture. With control fully anticlockwise best picture and towards clockwise similar picture but with horizontal jitter and audio sounds slow.Also in pause mode noise bar always in the same place if this is significant. Alignment errors just as likely to be on recording VCR as this one.Is there a further internal tracking adjustment?If so can anyone identify for me?

Second issue is rewind very slow with screeching noise on some tapes. Rewind in search mode actually considerably faster and no screeching but of course not good for tape or machine to rewind 60 minutes this way. Again any advice appreciated.The belts are very slack but I assume they only drive the counter and no functional issue should the counter stop working.

Thanks in advance.

Paulo Figueiredo
Wednesday 23rd May 2007
3:37 pm U.K.

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Hello, does anibody know the exact date of production of the Sony U-Matic H BVU 800 P and Sony U-Matic HS BVU 110 ?Best regards Paulo

Craig Felsmann
Wednesday 23rd May 2007
9:35 am U.K.

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Hello to all, and good to see everybody back again; lets hope the site doesn't disappear for a couple of months again! l have a mint Sony VO 5630 that's developed a problem: it keeps going into 'standby' mode, then not allowing the tape to be ejected; l have to switch her off for a while, then hit 'eject' to retreive the tape. Any U-maniacs out there with any ideas as to the problem?? Cheers, Craig.

Maciej Szymanski
Wednesday 23rd May 2007
9:22 am U.K.

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Hello!

I've found many different opinons on umatic tapes. Some say that SP tapes are metal, while some say that all U-Matic tapes are oxide. My question is - Can I use SP tape in low-band machine? I mean blank tape, not SP recording. I just can buy cheaply some unused SP tapes, but I'm not sure If I can make LB recordings on them. And BTW how about SP recorded tape? Can LB machine erase SP recording and overwrite with LB signal or there will be some high frequency artefacts ?

Roderick
Thursday 17th May 2007
6:59 am U.K.

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Tomasz, the VO1810 was one of the first U-matic machines released by Sony in the early 1970's. I don't know if you are going to find parts for it but have you tried Google? A quick search on Sony VO1810 brought up a few sites with manuals and some parts. It is quite possible that the machine you have is a player only. If it doesn't have a 'REC' button or 'Video IN' at the back then it is a player only and won't record.The repeat button puts the machine in repeat mode which basically means that when it reaches the end of the tape it rewinds and plays the tape again. This was used in displays where a tape would play the whole day without the need for someone to reset the machine everytime.

Hope this helped.

Tomasz Szcześniak
Saturday 12th May 2007
10:32 am U.K.

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I recently got Sony VO1810 machine, in good condition. It plays well PAL SECAM and NTSC cassettes, but can't record video (or I don't know how to do it).

Does anyone know anything more abouth this model? I need to clean it, because is very dirty inside, and I don't want to do it without service manual. And how the 'Reperat' button work? I can't see any difference wher it is pressed or not. Where can I buy counter unit? It has some mechanical damages.

Francois
Monday 5th March 2007
10:22 am U.K.

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Thank you Pat but trading the housing or bending the plastic things inside have made no effect... I've built a tool to do a manual "fwd-rewind" and it works....

regards Francois

Pat H
Sunday 4th March 2007
9:44 pm U.K.

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If you strip them down you should fine slip washers made of thin platic that were intended to help the spools spin. These do foul up so removing them may help the spools rotate for a while longer.

Francois
Sunday 4th March 2007
8:55 pm U.K.

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It seems usual with the black Ampex . I have 6 of them and 5 are hard to roll.I'll try changing the house... regards francois

Pat H
Sunday 4th March 2007
8:01 pm U.K.

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Almost certainly a jammed up tape.The umatic tapes have no brakes so it can't be that.You can try manulally winding them but it's not an easy task as each reel only has one side to the spool.

Francois
Sunday 4th March 2007
3:55 pm U.K.

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hello ! I have a problem with Ampex BCS-20 U-matic tapes... When I do fast forward or rewind , the Sony VO 9800P motor slows and stops (the tape is in the housing) . When I try a play , the picture is bad with some noises , the motor is slowed down. There is no problem with Sony or Fuji KCS-20 tapes.

I've tried to unscrew the Amex housing : no result... I want to try:- the videocassette in the fridge ?- putting off the reels and replace them in a Sony or Fuji housing ?- doing a complete forward then rewind by hands ?.... :-(

Listening to all solutions , thank you Francois

Pat H
Friday 2nd March 2007
4:47 pm U.K.

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I presume the remote lead is plugegd in the rear connector?I'd so remove it. You don't need it for it to work.The standby light comes on when the mechanisum is loading or unloading.If the light just stays on then I'd guess the loading mechanium is stuck or jammed.You need to look inside and see what state the mechanium is in.

Andrew Dale
Friday 2nd March 2007
3:49 pm U.K.

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we have just inherited a Sony U-matic VP 5030. When you turn it on the standby light comes on and nothing happens! What do we do? There is a remote lead but no handset - does it matter as we discounnected the lead?

Pat H
Thursday 1st March 2007
9:24 pm U.K.

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Brian is do you get an error message when it goes off?If you take the lid off ands watch the tape as it loads. How far does it get?Is the video head drum spinning?When you do get it to eject does it leave a loop of tape sticking out?

Brian F.
Thursday 1st March 2007
4:04 pm U.K.

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My problem is somewhat similar to Richard M's -- I purchased a VP-7000 (ebay) and got it all hooked up all right but: When I insert the tape, it goes into place but then powers off almost immediately. If I turn it on several times, I can get the tape to eject.Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. I purchased it for an organization that has numerous old 3/4" historical tapes they'd like to work with.Thanks.Brian

Francois
Wednesday 28th February 2007
10:40 pm U.K.

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Thank you .

Pat H
Wednesday 28th February 2007
10:35 pm U.K.

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Yup BVU is highband or highband SP.9800 should give similar results.

Francois
Wednesday 28th February 2007
9:53 pm U.K.

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Thank you Pat . "BVU" and "high band" are the same words ? Do I have the same picture quality with this Sony VO-9800P than a pure BVU machine like the BVU-800P for example ?

Pat H
Wednesday 28th February 2007
9:44 pm U.K.

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Yes the VO9800P will play lowband highband an highband SP.Nice machine the 9800

Francois
Wednesday 28th February 2007
9:33 pm U.K.

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Good evening . My question : Could the Sony VO-9800P read a BVU PAL tape ? Thank you

David
Monday 26th February 2007
11:21 pm U.K.

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Pat,

Thanks again for replying.

Tonight I was given the other tapes to copy and found one to be a professional recording rather than from a camera (confirmed to be B&W) and that plays B&W too hence confirming that the JVC PR-8800E model does not play low band.Hence I will now investigate a low band machine.

David

Pat H
Monday 26th February 2007
8:21 pm U.K.

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If the tapes a b&W lowband tape there is no advantage to paying back in a highband machine. In fact it may be worse as the playback RF EQ is optimised for each format.If the machine can play both low and high band then it would have a light to indicate which mode itr was in. So no high low band light probably indicates it's just highband. In which case even if the tape has colour the machine won't show any.One little make or break trick to try and clear a really bad headclog is to carefully touch the back of your thumb nail against the head drum as it spins. Hold your nail facing in the direction of rotation (need a space with no tape in the way) and gentally let it tocuh the heds as they pass. It will either clear the muck or snap the heads. Make or break! A lot of headclogs won't clear with cleaner so it's worth a shot.

David
Sunday 25th February 2007
11:01 pm U.K.

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Pat,

Thanks for taking time to reply.

I will have to ask around about either a low band machine, a tape known to be in colour and if anyone can recall if the tape I have should be black & white. There is a fair chance the camera available was only B&W.If the tape was low band B&W would the playback be any better on a low band machine than the high band JVC?

Also just been told about a few ( I will know how many soon) reels of 1" tape!!Hence would like to know about getting that transferred at a sensible price.

I found scan of the JVC video products brochure from I guess mid-1980's soon after PR-8800E introduced but that does not state either way. It just gives the recording format as ' High Band U-standard '. There is not a comma between indicating both modes. Otherwise stiil found nothing on the 'net.

Actually I have here two PR-8800E's and a RM-86U Edit controller with cables. Both machines load tape and output audio but only one gives a video signal output. Actually initially neither played nor registered a signal on the tracking meter but after about 3 minutes the picture gradually appeared on one. I've left tape running in the other for over 10 minutes but no picture nor signal on the tracking meter. I've had a look to see video head is spinning and checked heads clean with alcohol and proper head cleaning swab.

Is there anything obvious to look at?Ultimately as long as one works that is all I need. I am told the full system worked 3 years ago and just been in storage until now.

Also while I have machines I can possibly help anyone who needs tapes transferred to DVD-R for return postage costs and a negotiable amount for my time. This would need to be arranged promptly as while no great rush to return the machines I don't want the machines sat on my lounge floor for too long!!

David.

Pat H
Sunday 25th February 2007
10:08 pm U.K.

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From what I remember yes. The control track is there anyway as it's used to control the Video head timing.I think there was a mod to allow the 5030s to work as an edit source deck. Think it was somthing to do with allowing the capstan to be controlled during editing.I think if it's a standard 5030 it won't work as a source machine.

Maciek Szymanski
Sunday 25th February 2007
9:28 pm U.K.

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Thank you for response. So I understand, that the machine with mechanical counter (as VO-5030 is) will still support the control track counter signal, and the editing controler can use that signal and show the counter on its display ?

Maciek

Pat H
Sunday 25th February 2007
8:33 pm U.K.

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Hi the VP 5030 is a play only machine. It can sort of be used as an edit source player but it's not ideal. It only has parallel control so search will be a problem.I'd go with a Sony RM440 and VO5800 source and VO5850 as edit recorder.Lowband umatic doesn't have timecode at all. It is possible to modifiy the machines but the parallel controller won't support that. This doesn't stop you editing. You just use the control track. Not frame acurate but it did the job for many years.Basically if your umatic has a mechnical counter it's not ideal for editing.Series 5 edit suite as above is best for control track editing. Series 9 is better and does have timecode (on highband) and serial deck control.

Maciek Szymanski
Sunday 25th February 2007
8:02 pm U.K.

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Hello U-Matic users !I'd like to get into U-Matic, But there is not too much information available. I'm interested in a limple linear editing system (yes, that's true ;-)). I'd like to ask fwe questions:

1. Is VP-5030 edit capabe ? I mean is there any way to control it from an edit controler ?2. What units can be controlled with RM-430CE ? It uses Parallel interface I suppose.3. What is the story with timecode on U-Matic ? I've heared about EBU timecode which is as I assume written on the invisible part of the picture like VITC not on the control track, so I think the tape mut be copied in order to have timecode on it ? Is it required to have the timecode in order to do assembly editing or the editing controler can use couter to find scenes ? And if so what about machines with mechanical counters ?

Thank you in advance for help, hoping I'll soon become another happy U-Matic user.Maciek

Pat H
Sunday 25th February 2007
7:42 pm U.K.

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Been a while since I worked on one of those.Not all highband machiens could play lowband from what I remember. So it could just be it's a lowband tape and the JVC can't play it back. Can you find somebody nearby who can check the tape on a known good lowband play back machine?

David
Sunday 25th February 2007
4:21 pm U.K.

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I have been lent a JVC PR-8800E High Band VTR with the aim of transferring some tapes to DVD. The tape first tape I have been asked to copy was recorded 1979 so I assume low band. The playback is black and white. One possibility is the camera was only black and white.The other is compatability.Does anyone know if this JVC will play colour low band tapes correctly?So far I have found nothing relevant about JVC machines on the 'net via Google.

Richard M
Saturday 24th February 2007
7:50 pm U.K.

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Thanks, Pat, for your hint on the power switch. I'll try to inspect it and see if it shows signs of arcing.

Pat H
Saturday 24th February 2007
2:08 pm U.K.

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Most likely is a burnt out power switch. it's a common problem.They arc inside (that's the noice you hear) and go open circuit.

Don't mess with the mains if your not competent. But if you are you can test by shorting the switch out across the two poles.

When you get the switch out you can normally tell if thats the issue as it will show signs of over heating. You can even open the switch and do a temp repair but a new switch would be needed as it will go again.

Richard M
Friday 23rd February 2007
3:55 pm U.K.

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Hello,

I acquired a VP-7000 playback deck a couple of years ago, and it worked fine until recently. Now it doesn't power up. I've found three fuses on a power supply circuit board and a fourth fuse (20 Amp I think) which I assume is the main fuse. All check out for continuity.

When switching on, there is a slight high-pitched sound, like a discharge perhaps. Trying again immediately there is no sound.

I have only very limited experience with electronics, wouldn't dream of messing with this if it were possible to find a competent repair person locally, but I wonder if anyone has a line on service manuals or other hints. I'm guessing something like a bad capacitor might be a possible cause, and perhaps even the whole power supply assembly could be swapped with one from a cannibalized unit.

Thanks in advance for any hints.

(Remove underscores in my e-mail address to reply directly. Thanks!)

Pat H
Wednesday 14th February 2007
10:19 pm U.K.

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The high band mod was basically a bodge. It modified the colour circuit to shift the freqency to the higher highband one. But it didn't make any changes to the luminance circuits. High band has a higher luminance deviation so higher bandwidth circuits are needed. The best the mods allowed was slightly better than lowband quality from a highband tape. And often they needed tweaking to get some highband tapes not to give black tearing.I fitted a few but it was a while ago.

Re the secam it's a whole different colour process as it's FM not AM so not sure how easy that would be.

Frank Ferran
Wednesday 14th February 2007
10:13 pm U.K.

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I have not mentioned in my preceding message thet I want to modify a VO-5030 to VO-5030H. This VTR is PAL/SECAM/NTSC 4.43. The other VTR, the BVU-950P is stritcly PAL and I don't intend to make any mod.

Frank Ferran
Wednesday 14th February 2007
9:58 pm U.K.

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There used to be a mod for VO-5030 and VO-5630 to enable them to play back high band in color. These VTRs had then a "H" suffix and an existing front panel switch was modified (I think it was the "Timer" switch). Does anyone have a clue how to make this mod? I have a BVU-950P but I have to copy BVU SECAM tapes. Thanks for any help.

Pat H
Wednesday 7th February 2007
10:11 pm U.K.

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Yes the idler flops from reel to reel.I'll check at work I think I may have some umatic spare I'm just about to dump.Maybe a reel motor in there!Certainly sure I have a reel idler. But like I say they rarely go wrong. i used to change tham in a service as routine but I'm sure they are quite tough.

colin99
Wednesday 7th February 2007
9:22 pm U.K.

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Is the reel idler the white wheel and tyre sat between the spools (as you would expect)? The reason I ask is that some machines have two idlers. I actually flipped this tyre inside out and it didn't help, implying that the problem lies elsewhere. Bother, I probably need a replacement reel motor then. Now I wonder where I could get one of those?

The other possibility I suppose is the belt, I've not looked on the underside of the deck yet. But as you say, if this was slack it would be expected to part company.

Regards,

Colin

Pat H
Wednesday 7th February 2007
8:53 pm U.K.

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Just read the article about the manual removal. The wires don't need to be cut they are actually on a plug and just unplugs.Also if you can access the bottom of the chassis (by removing the bottom of the machine) you can manually turn the reel idler pully as you wind the loading gearbox on the other side. You will then have the tape wound in the housing before you eject.

Pat H
Wednesday 7th February 2007
8:41 pm U.K.

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Re reel problems:Just discovered this website. A real blast of the past. In the many years as a service engineer I overhauled more than 1000 various umatics, Particularly series 5 and 9.

On the slow reel problem. There are a couple of things to check.Most likely is the actual reel moter going low torque. The reel idler does wear but rarely causes a problem (you can test it by giving it a good clean with surgical spirt and seeing if it improves). The reel belt can slip but normally snaps. My money would be on the motor.

Lastly please oh please don't cut the tape it's completely possible to extract a tape with no damage manually.

Victor
Wednesday 7th February 2007
8:16 am U.K.

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Hooray. I did it !!!

Here is the article on how to: http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/03/13/u-matic-34-cassette-removal-procedure-when-normal-ejection-is-not-possible-%E2%80%94-guest-article/

I did cut the tape and it gave me another Error No. 20. Then I turned the bloody machine off and just turned the gearbox pulley ( as per article) manually clockwise until it stopped. Then I turned the unit on and presto, it ejected the tape. I had to cut the tape, but this avoided me on going the route of disconnect the wires, taking the tape compartment out etc.Hope it will help others. Good luck.

Victor
Wednesday 7th February 2007
7:55 am U.K.

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I have similar problem. My U-matic VO9850P made funny sounds and displayed Error 02 periodically when the tapes were very old and sticky and the machine had trouble winding them. Now I got a real bad one and it got stuck in the machine completely. So any idea how to eject the tape? I guess if I cut the tape inside the machine it won't do any good?

colin99
Sunday 4th February 2007
9:38 am U.K.

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Poor rewind on VO-9800P:

My machine has slow rewind, sometimes stopping with Error-02. Is the rewind/ff idler the one which sits between the spools on the top side of the deck (with a small Allen screw holding it in place)? Or is it on the underside of the deck? Replacement idler or tyre source in UK?

Picture search still working fine.

Thanks for any help,

Colin www.video99.co.uk

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