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Hi Alan,I have a JVC BR6400TR, an excellent machine!! I've also a service-manual for that, including an english owner-manual. Contact me via EMail. Reiner
Hi, I realise this could be a long shot but I need a users manual for a V0-5850P which I just picked up today,,,,,, can anyone help me out ? a web site or link or email,,,,,,,anything. I also have a JVC BR-6400TR I need a manual for, any help on either of these would be great.Thanks in advance for any help.Alan.
I'm a owner of a VO-4800PS, I've seen a lot of Questions on (service-) manuals. I think you can find them for a good price here:http://schaltungsdienst.deThe online-database is quite a experience, but they have what you need. I'm satisfied about the manuals that I get from their.I don't know, if they have the docs of the NTSC-Machines.Good LuckReiner Müller Erlangen, Germany
Hi I need some help. I have a Sony VO-2630 -s I hooked it up to my video monitor and have no color just B&W. does anyone Know where I can find service lit or knows if this is a common prob. Thank you very much.
Sony 5030 U-matic edit source player good condition (PAL/SECAM/NTSC) £150.00 (two available) plus many other U-matic machines and video equipment email for full list
U-MATIC / LOW BAND SONY REC / FOR SALE MODEL VO 5630 PAL / NTSC /SECAN GOOD COND. IN LONDON CALL 0973 468 555 OR E-MAIL
New on the U-matic PALsite:
BVE-910 edit controllerBVT-500, BVT-810, BVT-2000 time base correctors.
I have a lot (120) of U-matic tapes to sale!!!Send me a mail
Have to get rid of equipment - fast - make me an offer:
Panasonic F70 CCD// Broadcast camera WV-F70 w/case WV-CC71Sony UmaticS portable 3/4" deckPanasonic NV 9450 UvisionS 3/4" deckPanasonic Battery charger NV-B450 4 bay
Great equipment, great condition, need to sell soon. Email me if you are interested in making me an offer....Dan
>>>>>>Got two Model 5800 Sony umatic machines.got a #440 Sony editor with two working cords. I can't figure out how to make the dangeditor work, to be flutter free on my edits.<<<<<<
You need a 5850 as your edit recorder. A 5800 can do a sort of assemble edit usingthe pause button but it's not great; no flying erase head as far as I know.
Hi people, i am after a Sony BVU-800 NTSC for a friend (London based).I know the chances of this are probably slim as we are in a PAL country but i am posting this message on the off chance. The machine must be NTSC as it is to be used with a pcm device. Thanks in advance.
Hello,I'm Luca from Italy and I have 6 Sony VO5800 (NTSC), 2 of these forsale (with TBC boards).Please,I need the instruction manual of VO5800 and VO5850. I need to know what RM unit I have to use to do A/B roll edit with 3 VO5800. I'd like to know if it is possible to transform one VO5800 in one VO5850 (how many pieces I have to change ?).Greetings to all of you.
IU HAVE THE FOLLOWING FOR SALE1. SONY U-MATIC(H) BVU800P FULLY WORKING2. AVITEL TRE2060 EBU SMPTE TIMECODE READER LTC ONLY3. AVITEL TRE2060 EBU SMPTE TIMECODE READER LTC+VITCMAKE AN OFFER !!!!LOCATION LONDON UK
E-MAIL [email protected] TEL 0171 737 1963
HI LOOKING FOR SERVICE MANUAL FOR SONY U-MATIC(HI-BAND) BUV800PWILLING TO PAY A RESONABLE AMOUNT
LOCATION LONDON UK
Yep Hi-band mods are available but I fear the cost would be prohibitive.Try asking [email protected] for details.
Hi, just seen a VO-5800 at a great price. Need a lo-band deck anyway but wonder if it's possible to modify it for hi-band or even SP playback / record? How's it done? How much would it cost? Cheers.
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I have for sell:
- one U-matic HB SP SONY 9850p + tc card - two U-matic HB SP SONY 9800p + tc cards (reader) - one portable U-Matic HB SP recorder SONY 8800.
all are almost new, with operation instructions etc..
for more information or make an offer, send me an email
To read the head hours on vo-9600 u-matic (and others), flick the programmed operation switch to up and then press the reset button for about 5 seconds-hey presto. Have an old Sony vp-2030 top loader multistandard u-matic player-free to collector (south east london).
I've just buy a vo-9600pI've not instruction manual, do someone know if it is available somewhere on the net?My main problem is now how to read the working time counter (hour counter), do someone know?Thank you in advanceLuigi
Hello, My name is Eric, and I've got a few questions on hooking up some U-matic equipment. My stuff is old but functional. Got two Model 5800 Sony umatic machines. got a #440 Sony editor with two working cords. I can't figure out how to make the dang editor work, to be flutter free on my edits. I'm just doing a start an stop method , which is rediculessly full of fluters. Can any one of you old , or new timers talk me threw this ? Or does someone have a menuel ? Please, Please , please, I need some advise !
Thanks , i hope, Eric benson [email protected]
U-Matic Equipment Sale: includes Players/recorders, portables, cameras, new and used U-matic tapes. Also used domestic VHS machines for sale. Please phone Malcolm at Wizard Video Productions on01428 682896
Re manuals. I think it's unlikely you will find a copy as a .pdf file.Even today, sercive manuals are still copy-righted unlikey to me madegenerally available. You best bet is probably to find some one who has anunwanted manual which they can let you have.
Could you please provide us a quote, availability and delivery time for 1 unit of BKU-701 board(PAL).
I am looking for the internal cable layout of the 14 pin Q cable for my U-matic 8800 and Sony camera cable video connection. Does anybody know where I could get this type of info on the Internet. I tried sony, it did not work.
Does anyone know what an RX-DATA socket is for, It's on the back panel of a Sony 5630 and is a 1/8 inch jack socket.....
Hai there, just joined the club of U-Matic owners.I've had an VP-5030 for free (!)
Looking for manuals (preferbly .PDF) does anyone knows the value of this nice piece of Metal Weight?? :)
PS Please reply via Email
For the information, I cannot seem to get to the wizoo.com sitetoday but I will try later...
I am sure there are many music guys out there who have put somethingtogether for a TV company on low-band... who need to sync up to aMIDI sequencer for music starts and stops.
I will keep investigating.
This site's a lot more friendly:
The only way I can think of to sync to a low band is with a MIDI time code generator, like a JL Cooper MTC/SMPTE generator. This would work if say, dialogue and sound effects had been recorded together on audio track one with the video signal and track two (often re-recordable) was left empty to hold a sync signal.
You could then theoretically write MTC to the empty track and build up MIDI sequences along with the footage and sound already on the tape.
The whole thing would then have to be mastered to a second VCR adding your audio work to the original.
To find out some more (much more than I know!) visit:http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~un7d/info/game/doc/mtc.htm
I haven't actually tried this myself but if anyone has, it would be good to hear from you. Hope this is helpful in some way.
Does anyone know of a production house which sells umatic (BRS) 10 minute tapes as well as dubs them for a low price. Right now I am paying $5 for both dub, tape, and black hard case. By the way my tapes are evaluated; one pass.
Hello all U-matic folk...
I would like to compose music for TV & film companies. I met up with a TV composer by chance a couple of weeks ago who advised me that I need to invest £ 200 -£300 on a Low Band U-Matic recorder...as this would be the format that I would be working too. So my questions arewould anyone have a low band u-matic recorder which I could sync mysequencer too, that I can buy & what is the time sync format that is used.
Any advise would be welcome.
I have a Sony BVU800P player/recorder with a small defect. In playback mode the TV picture is shaking up an down the TV screen (it looks as if vertical sync doesn't function correctly). Playing back the same tape on a different machine doesn't show the problem, so the original recording is OK. Recording a stable video signal also results in a shaking picture, but then 'frozen' on the tape (verified with a correctly functioning machine). When I playback a tape by using the Jog/Shuttle mode, I do not encounter the problem (vertical sync seems to be OK).
Is there anybody who recognizes this problem? Any clue what could be wrong with the machine? Any suggestions for repair?
I don't have access to my old Umatic catalogues at the moment but I don't think the 5630is an editor. Edit machines have a flying erase head ..an extra head on the video head discwhich erases the video track a tad before the new one is laid down.
Many VCRs (of all breeds) will do a 'sort' of assemble edit quite well,but the lack of a flying erase head means that the old track is simply overwritten by the new ..and there are traces of the old left behind...
This leads to the sort of fluttering-coloured bands yousee at the edit points...
On the other hand if your machine is a proper editor thenyou should always work on a blacked tape in insert modeNever assemble edit unless you really have no choice (i.ehave come to the end of a blacked section) The reason forthis is that it ensures a continuous and stable sync track..
As for that 7 pin cable ..i don't think youcan connect the machine to anything otherthan another VCR or a TBC via that outlet..
It _doesn't_ carry Y/C in the form that we would normally understand it.
It carries Y and the C component in the form of the 'colour under' signal.
Yo Paul! How are you mate ..long time no hear!
I can confirm that Paul's software works seriously well and cancontrol all sorts of lovely toys with indecent accuracy.
We're very lucky to have Paul Here as a member of the list, apart from being an utterly decent sort of a bloke his softwareis beautifully engineered. An example of how it should be done!
...you don't fancy developing some NLE software which would release usall from the dreaded windoze do you Paul ;-)
High Band Umatics for Sale!!!! I have the Following: 2 X BVU 800P Umatic (One only good for Spares) 1 X BVU 820P Umatic 1 X BVU 870P Umatic 1 X BVT 800ps TBC Sold as seen, as far as I know there all in working order!
The lot for 600 o.n.o.
Hi!Looking for second hand remote cables for RM-440/ VO 5800 /5850PKlaus
Free online linear editing software for machines with RS-422interface: http://www.BrenemanLabs.com/MachOne5.htm
Ask Matt Rathney-Quinn about it if you need a reference. Thanks Matt.
Matt: Borland released Turbo Pascal 5.5 for free (I have a link on one of my Mach One.5 pages) so people could also interfaceother machines starting with the Vtr simulator we worked on. Thatis if anybody really likes to play with circuits and software <G>.
Sorry to be a pain but does anyone know where I can buy a 7 pin dubbing cable which I plan to use to connect a Sony VO5630 to a Sony TC1020Q Video Projector?
Hello fellow Umaticals,
I have 2 Sony VO-5630 Umatic Decks but find that when editing scenes from one to the other the joins between the scenes are far from clean. I find that there are about 2 seconds of distortion after each pause edit when the target tape is viewed back.
Could it be that the 5630 isn't cut out for this job, or do I have to blank the target tape in a certain way to get clean joins?
I would appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.
For sale:Sony U-matic VP-5030 Videocassette Player, location- Ottawa Canada. All offers considered. Shipping costs responsibility of the buyer.William
i got the sony umatic vo 5600 .working nice .need a buyer. please email your offer -shipping acros the globe chippest i can find in hawaiii.thanks
Does anyone know where I can get the specifications on the two umatic tape sizes? I need the heighth, width, and depth dimensions of the the tape cartridges.
I'm looking for info on JVC CR-6060 3/4 U-matic.
********************************************* High Band Umatics for Sale!!!!
I have the Following:
2 X BVU 800P Umatic (One only good for Spares) 1 X BVU 820P Umatic 1 X BVU 870P Umatic 1 X BVT 800ps TBC
Sold as seen, as far as I know there all in working order! Make we an offer I can't refuse!! :
I have for sale a Sony VO-9800 High Band SP Recorder for £700.00 & a Sony VO-9850 High Band SP Edit Recorder for £900.00, anyone interested drop me an email.Steve
Hello everyone,I'm looking for the manual for Sony U-matic VO-2860P.I hope someone of you can help me out.Or maybe someone nows were to find it.Lot of thanks.Vincent
That first line should read VP-9000 of course.Rikk
Just picked up a VO-9000. I checked the back and can't find the DUB connector. You state the VP-9000 has a DUB out, but I can't find one on mine. BTW does anyone have a manual for the VP-9000? You are doing a fine job on these pages. I'm from the states and use NTSC (Never The Same Colour), but this PAL Site is wonderful, and is packed with lots of valuable, and entertaining information.Thanks, Rikk
HI guys..does anyone about a buv-110 with time code..does it have a edit jack..bidding on it at a auction..closes in 2 hours..any help..
Looking for power supply and case for v0 6800 price in U.S. dollars.
Hi Guys, I'am new at this u-matic game but hooked already. I was wondering if any one knew where i could find a power supply and a portabrace for a vo 6800, if so how much U.S. I'am glad to see a place to talk to others of the same interest. I will pass this around to others. Some was looking for a ampex ace25 E-Bay.com has one for auction.
Questiot please..Is PAL vidoe recorded at the same speed as NTSC? Thanks,John
For sale: Sony VO-5850p edit recorder + VO-5800ps recorder + RM-440 edit controller (set -> £ 750.00)Sony VO-6800ps portable recorder (£ 250.00)Sony DXC -3000 camera (£ 550.00)All equipment in good condition!
Someone was asking about Fisher Price Pixelvision. Don't know much about the technicalities and I haven't seen a unit but this was marketed as a children's toy camera and gives a very low-res, pixellated result. Some film makers are buying these up for the grainy look they give, as an even 'worse' alternative to Super 8.
I have been buying video equipment for use in a College. To complete a U-Matic set I am looking for a 5850 editing recorder and an edit controller to match that up to a 5800. A 3-machine editing set-up would be nice, but I don't know whether that's feasible with this kit, so a 2-machine controller (a 440?) would suffice.
Alternatively, I would be willing to sell what I've got. The 5850 is working fine and there are two matching play-only machines, one of which is good but the other is not accepting tapes so needs some work. There is a Sony portable U-Matic recorder teamed up with two Sony Trinicon cameras, an HVC3000 and an HVC4000.
Your site is an excellent resource and is packed with useful information. A lucky 'find'.
Hi, I'm new to all this but I'm experimenting with some junk and I was wondering if anyone out there knew the pinouts for the actual scanning tube inside one of those cameras (the tube I have is labeled trinicon ct-2133). More to the point, where can I find specs on some of these tubes on the web?
I know a couple pins are for heater, others for anode, cathode, Horizontal, vertical, and (I don't know what its called, but the actual ouput of the ring).
Any pointers or help is much apreciated, thanks in advance...
*********************************************High Band Umatics for Sale!!!!
I have the Following:
2 X BVU 800P Umatic (One only good for Spares)1 X BVU 820P Umatic1 X BVU 870P Umatic1 X BVT 800ps TBC
Sold as seen, as far as I know there all in working order! Make we an offer I can't refuse!! :
I have the opportunity to buy some videotapes from India (PAL) thatare available in beta, U-matic or digital. Noone seems to be able to tell me if digital comes in PAL or NTSC flavors or, if so, if thereis a readily available computer utility to convert. What do people advise? are ther places to buy PAL U-matic players? I have VHS formatconverter, so once I can generate a signal, I can convert it..
While I'd normally try avoid top loaders for serious work the fact that these are highband machinesdoes rather redeem them. The fact too that you're an engineer and have the manuals etc helps.
Pulse count edit controllers have their advantages not the least of which is that an enterprisingprogrammer might be able to make a 286 or similar perform the same functions. Remote controlinterfacing is potentially simpler too.
As a point of general interest anyone with RS422 controlled machines looking for an ECU shouldcheck out Paul Breneman's 'Mach 1.5' software ECU ..which controlls 6 VTRs and a mixer all on aslighly modified 286!
I'm also very glad to hear that I'm not the only person still shooting on 3//4"
Slightly 'OT', Non linear is becoming very reachable and a good choice for the Umatic enthusiast. Iuse an Iomega Buz on a Cyrix 200 based system built on an M571 'TX pro' Motherboard. This isabout as cheap as you can build a pentium class PC. I run an old copy of Media Studio 2.5 whichcame with an older now dead ISA card I used to have in my 486. The system is dedicated to videoediting with no other software or hardware (such as modems) allowed on it.
It works well just some boot up problems since I added a creative SB64PCI to the set up andsome minor incompatibility problems with the Motherboard's built in VGA 'card'. Not sure whetherthis is a clash between the BUZ and the SB64 or the SB 64 and the Cyrix CPU.
(any thoughts on this would be appreciated ..but by email please since it is rather off topic)
I can work happily at 120K/frame with 44.1K stereo sound and have put UVW (Beta sp) throughthe system without any subjective loss of picture quality, just like a straight dub. Manipulated lowband ouput from the system too looks as good as a straight FM-FM dub! ..no reason whyhighband would 'suffer'.
The Buz is good, cheap and gives you SCSI all for a relatively small sum. It is a diffcult card to setup though and renders slowly. There are ways 'round that though. Newer faster CPU's will improvematters. Next step for me is to replace the display card then start building a faster machine for theBuz.
The new NLE technologies coming onto the market are making formats such as Umatic (andindeed Betamax) a more practical proposition now. If you can live with the relative weight of the kitit's an excellent way to get some serious video shot. I wish I'd had all this stuff available when I wasat college. At the time all I could have done was dub my tapes to SVHS for edit since the college'ssystems were all based round that format. :-(
I'd like to echo your thanks to the guys for setting up the site, it's coming on a wee bit slowlymaybe but them I'm not sure that everyone who works with Umatic is completely aware of it'sexistence ..that will come though.
Matt, Thanks for your interest. The BVU200's were possibly the first generation of HiBand machines.They are the old top loading format and mine date from about 1979-80. They are substantially made, very reliable and weigh a ton. They have all the facilities and connections that the later machines have. They do, however, need a bit of tender loving care from time to time to maintain the editing accuracy. I am fortunate in having a complete set of manuals! The BVE500 edit controller uses control pulse counting. This in itself is made from discrete 74 series logic chips and therefore is much bigger than the RM controllers.The BVU's do have a timecode head and R/P electronics and will happily interface with an external reader/generator. My shooting kit is a BVU110 or a BVU50(depending on the state of the recordists shoulder). The cameras are a DXC3000 and an Ikegami HL79. I also have a now largely redundant JVC KY110, although it still gives very good pictures(anyone want to buy it?). I am an electronics engineer and therefore am able to maintain this kit reasonably well.I have recently been looking at the possibility putting together a non-linear editing setup that could, with enough storage, be capable of on line stuff. I will probably mean starting with a dual-processor workstation type motherboard. Some things I am looking for- a BKU110 plug in time code unit for the BVU110. a DC8 dual NP1 battery case for the DXC3000. If anybody has these for sale I would be interested.I will send some photos of my stuff. By the way thanks for putting this excellent site up! How about other related kit such as TBC'sBest wishes, Robin.
I use a 7630 as the play-in machine to my non linear edit suite. It's a good machine and works well. I don't have the instruction book, these seem to be the first thing that gets lost. There's nothing mysterious about it's basic operation though. Just connect one of the video outputs to a monitor, the audio outputs to the same monitor or an amp and off you go.
It does have a frame code facility, though quite what that does I don't know. I've noticed the 'blips' in the top line a' la timecode but what's going on with them....
Do note though that the machine will attempt to lock to any input signal, if that's unstable so will be the playback. A trick I've used is to connect a VHS machine to the 8pin EIAJ (TV) socket. This allows two way dubbing between the machines and lets you record off-air via the VHS' tuner, and should also give you a nice steady source of syncs should you require them.
Since I also originate on Umatic small tapes are used often in the machine, just sit them centrally in the slot and give a gentle push. The machine will swallow the tape with a satisfied gulp ;-) No adaptors or anything are needed.
Only two niggles spoil my enjoyment. When rewinding, nearing the beginning of the tape, there is a loud whailing rattling sound. the machine actually rewinds just fine but the noise!!!! Secondly I'd love to get hold of the remote that was supposedly available.
It'd be a nice gesture with all sorts of positive PR implications (hint hint Mr Sony) if they would allow the instruction books to be put on the site perhaps in .pdf format
Sony edit suit for sale: VO-5850P edit recorder, VO-5800PS recorder, RM-440 edit control & TBC(low hours)£1200.00Sony VO-6800 portable recorder £400.00& various other equipment email or phone for full list01303 891276
Sure the small tapes will work. LRC Video can provide manual.
I have recently acquired a Sony U-matic recorder type VO7630. Can the small tapes used on my prevous portable machine (a VO3800P) be used on the VO7630? Do I need an adaptor of some kind?I am trying to obtain operating instructions for the VO7630. Can anyone help please.
If it helps it's probably the rubber drive wheel which is worn. I 'cured' mine by slipping the rubber sleeve from a BNC plug over it and securing with superglue. It's possible that a pinch wheel from something might be adaptable to do the same job....
Hope this helps you or your machine's new owner...
Free to collector (North East - Newcastle area).
A JVC Lo-band Top Loader (CR 6060E) recorder - needs attention to the loading ring ( it needs manual help to lace itself up ).Anyone want it as a whole machine or for parts ?
I am looking for user manuals for a VP-5000 player and a VP-5600 recorder. Photo copies would be fine.
Thanks for any help you folks can give.
George CronkTechnology SpecialistLong Hill Township Schools
What an interesting find this was ! I thought I was the only person still using U-Matic. Anyway, I've just moved "up market" to Hi Band, and am building a new edit suite so have some wants and for sales.
First the wants. I need an edit controller for 3 or more machines, s Sony BVE-600 would be nice, or an Ampex ACE25, or maybe even a Sony 910. I need to be able to control a vision mixer with it and probably exchange EDLs with Lightworks.
Now the for sales. I have for disposal; Sony VO-5800P working but upper drum getting a bit tired, Sony VO-5850P in excellent condition, Sony RM-440 two machine controller, pair of remote cables and probably a dub cable. Together makes a complete low-band edit suite and I am looking for about £700 for it. Next, a Hitachi 340 low-band portable with mains unit / charger and 2 non-original batteries all in good working order, about £75 sought. JVC CR6600 top loading low band edit source player in good working order, about £50 sought. Sony VO-5030 multi-standard player, a couple of knobs missing but in working order, about £50 sought. 10 pin camera extension cable, about 5 metres long, new in box, £25.
Following the arival of the BVU-850s with timebase correctors my wife wants the low-band stuff out of the house! Oh, a couple of the above are ex BBC, others came from SSVC, all legally! I am not selling on behalf of the BBC.
I'm urgently need to have price and availability of Betamax videoplayer in Hong Kong, could any one provide buying channel.
anyone interested in a sony 6800 portable in good condition about 200 hours on meter.also have various other U-Matic machines and accessories.drop me an emailSteve
From Robin Whitehead's guestbook entry...
>>>>>Still use this kit for shooting and off line edit. Keeps working forever! Could do with a TBC though. I've not seen any pictures of aBVU200/Bve500 on this site though. Am I the only person using them<<<<
I can't even place the BVU200 in my mind. I'm sure if you posted some pictures to the site we'd allenjoy learning about these machines ..maybe you could give us a quick 'rundown' on theirfeatures? What kit do you use for shooting?
Glad to hear I'm not the only person shooting on Umatic. Tomorrow (Sunday May 16th '99) will seemy JVC CR4400LE on board the 'Shining Dancer' out of Crinan (Scottish West Highlands)shooting a low budget corporate video!
Edit will be via 'Media Studio' 2.5 NLE software running on a Cyrix P200 based PC digitised from aVO7630 through an Iomega Buz. I work at 120K/frame which when edited and dubbed back tothe Umatic is just as good as a direct TBC'd dub. VHS copies from the edit master are excellentand of course you have the opportunity to make several masters without quality loss...
Umatic footage is ideal for multimedia use too. Despite the supposedly low resolution pictures fromthe Umatic format (low or high band varieties) are excellent. The colour space is excellent, verystable and accurate ..no 'oil painting' effect as with VHS SVHS ...no 'fizz' on edges , just goodstable colour pictures..
Some time ago I had a Panasonic F70 AG7450 Professional 2 chip SVHS unit. The Cr4400produced 'softer' but more stable accurately coloured pictures. Feeding the F70 head to theCr4400 produced stunning results. ...good enough to make me sell the SVHS combo and forgetabout that format! ...In excess of £5000's worth of SVHS technology V's a £30, 12year old + anda £50 single tube camera (JVC S100E) and the Umatic won!
My Umatic kit might get retired in the next year or so, but only if I can get some cheap Betacamgear..
If one of your BVU 200 's is begining to complain maybe you should think about NLE, you onlyneed the one machine in use and could salt away the other for back up.....
I an still using, believe it or not, a couple of BVU200 and a BVE500 edit controller for off line work. One of the BVU200's head drum bearings is getting noisy. Does anybody have any spares available?
Anyone interested in a VP-5040 PAL Low Band player?Reasonable offers please!Paul
Speaking of interesting cameras does anyone have details of the Fisher Pricepixel vision? AFAIK this little portable recored on to an audio compact cassette!
Well if a camera section would be good I'd consider it a pleasure to research it.
With that in mind could I make it generally known that I'm gathering any and all information on standalone production type cameras. From things like the HVC series through M7's to whatever....
Anything that was an 'ENG' style unit (designed to work with a portable recorder) I want to hear all the silly little details. If anyone can send me brochures, pictures or whatever... Even simple recollections. Broadcast cameras to domestic units, I'd like to hear about them all.
I'd also like the camera socket pinouts for as many VCR VTR's as possible.
General Pinouts, PSU and technical information too would be handy. I know that when I've come to use an older camera I've often had to scrabble about quite a bit to find connection information etc.
It would be nice to have this sort of thing gathered in the one place.
One thing I would like to say though is that I'd like to concentrate on those units which were sold in PAL form. There were many cameras released in the US which never seen the light of day over here.
Once I have the bare bones together I'll submit the info to our generous host for inclusion on the site in whatever form is seen fit.
If people do have info can I suggest they send it directly to me via Email rather than on this board ...I don't imagine anybody wants to get too far off topic. Please also feel free to spread the word around whatever other forums and groups you belong to......
Let's hope that together we can add yet another dimension to the already excellent Palsite...
Matt, a camera section would make a great addition to the site.
That's a great idea! Pity I don't know much about old cameras. StillPALsite if here if you want anything hosted.
It's gone suddenly quiet ;-)....
Here's a thought. Would anybody like to see information on old cameras collected and collated? I could possibly do this with a view to offering the results to the palsite.. Contact me via Email if this is of interest.
Is anyone out there still shooting on Umatic? ...might anybody be interested in shooting Umatic material? Would some hints and tips on how to get those old clunkers powered up and shooting be helpful?
definately trinicons and semi or professional...with big fuji 14x lenses and tghe whole bit in large typical cases. looked like my old iklegami(spelling?) stuff I practically threw away.
anyways I just found out the heads are gone on that national 9210 so dont bother :)
hope this is of some help,
Second thought on those cameras.... Trinicon? Possibly HVC series cameras. Good toys worth about £20 for an HVC 2000 to £40 for a HVC4000... there were pro trinicon cameras but even thse are worth no more than a hundred quid or so. A mate of mine recently disposed of an LDH 10 (Phillips) 3 tube camera with ENG pack for £100...
Sounds like the guy's trying to have a lend of us poor hapless buyers....
I paid £30 for a JVC 4400 portapack in similar condition. A VO4800, the Sony lowband clunker should be worth about £50 ...don't know what that is in Aussie Dollars but I suspect it's nowhere near 250...
Cameras? ..depends on the model. Something like an M7 or a DXC 325's well worth having at the right price ..Me I'd pay no more than £600 for the former....
...but then I am a mean Scotsman <G>
For Sale - not mine I post everything I see
Sony VO-4400 (I think thats the model) UmaticS portapack, in working order, 3o day waranty, if cleaned would be in great cosmetic condition, orriginal carry bag not the best, 2 batteries and charger 250 bucks (I feel EXPENSIVE why I havent bought it myself)or as a package with 2 sony trinicon tube cameras, proffessional looking ones...but why you would buy such old cameras I dont know, for 1100 bucksNO TAPES
National NV-9210 Umatic (old clunker, pics of same model on my web page) dont trust the owner as far as I could throw her thus dont know working condition of unit, but appears in "good" cosmetic condition 350 bucks (RIP OFF I paid 20 for the one I have and 50 for a nv9200)
Located SOUTH AUSTRALIA
drop a line if interestedHope this is of some help
Yep you got it. The dub connector's 'C' signal is the colour under signal:) I loosely said this was the Chrominace without the carrier. Here I was refering to the 4.43MHz carrier.
>>>>> but the C part differs in that it contains the Chrominance *without* a sub-carrier.<<<<<<
I have to confess that you've confused me here <G> that's not hard since as a merecameraman, not a VT technician I've only a modest grasp of Video Tape Recordingprincipals... and indeed the PAL system generally. If I might go through myperception of the system in order that the flaws in my knowledge can be pickedout......
As I understand the PAL system 'C' is derived from the two colour difference signals
B-Y and R-Y. 'Y' being the sum of (R)ed + (B)lue + (G)reen. thus the basiccomponent signals are the luminance, or black and white picture 'Y' and the twocolour difference signals Y-B or 'U' & Y-R or 'V' . It is this YUV ,or componentform from which the signal is coded into PAL SECAM (or even I suppose NTSCthough scanning rates come into play here)
The 'C' signal is derived by modulating a 4.43Mhz (in the case of PAL) subcarrierwith the U & V components. I can't therefore see how 'C' can exist other than as afunction of a subcarrier.
I do know that in a 'colour under' VTR such as a umatic the composite signal is firstseparated into Y and C components. the Luminence is used to frequency modulate anRF carrier and the Chrominance 'C' signal used to separately modulate a lower carrierwhich then amplitude modulates the FM signal. On replay these RF carriers arerecovered from the tape and I was under the impression that it was these whichappeared at the dub connector. The advantage in a machine to machine dub being thatseveral de-processing-re-processing stages are removed.
I am surprised to find that the Y signal is present but can see the logic of this fortiming purposes, but surely 'C' is present only in the form of it's influence on theappropriate RF carrier... It is surely therefore incorrect to describe this signal as 'C'just as it would be incorrect to describe the signal from an FM radio transmitter as'Audio'...
And it's surely not just a matter of modulating a standard colour subcarrier but de-modulating the RF carrier?
This is a complex business already accomplished inside the machine and I suspect itmight be better (if possible) to pick up the 'C' part of the signal inside the machine asit's demodulated from the RF and before it's combined with 'Y' to form the compositeoutput....
Has anyone out there done this and would they care to share the details with us. Orhave I (as is quite likely) completely got the wrong end of the stick?
Moving swiftly along has anyone got any advice on modifying a VO7630 forHighband operation. I seem to recall that boards were available for this purpose. Itwould also be nice to hear of any improvements and modifications people have madeto their machines generally....
The U-matic Dub connector contains Y anc C. The Y component is the same as astandard "S Video" connector but the C part differs in that it contains the Chrominance *without* a sub-carrier. To interface Dub to S-Video you will need to modulate C on to a 4.43MHZ (PAL) carrier.Such boxes do exist. I will include more details on PALsite soon.
I'm baffled by something I've just seen on the site!
In the umatic features section the dub connector is described as a Y/C connector Surely this is wrong? ...I always understood it was a sub-carrier out connector allowing dubbing from FM to FM instead of demodualting and remodulating.....
If it is indeed a YC connector does anyone have the pinouts since this could make the Umatic much easier to connect to an NLE system!
Yep cleaning is very similay to Betamax. See http://www.palsite.com/pcat_hclean.htmlfor details. Good luck and have fun!
YES PLEASE! The more information/pictures the better. We will attemptto build the site as fast as possible to get the site into a really useful resource.
Also why not submit an article to the 'U-matic lore page'?
I've a Sony 5800PS in need of a head clean and demag, anyone want to enlighten me about this, I was assuming it was going to be the same process as the betamax cleaning, so any advice greatfully recieved.
Edwin, I recently put up a few pages of pics of the older sony and national gear,
if you have any specific requests, let me know, and I have been assured the older gear will appear on PALSITE soon.
hope this is of some help,
I have every faith that the older machines will feature here as we enthusiast start feeding information into the site. There are even a few relatively modern machines missing such as the V07630 ...and what about the offerings from JVC?
Let's all gather our thoughts and experiences together to help make this a truly great resource...
How about some pictures and information on old machines and accessories. Someone must have pictures etc!
Sunday 25th April 1999
12:50 pm U.K. ¶
finally got around to my umat page with a few pics, will ad a similar beta page soon with some pics of some of my gear
hope this is of some help alan,
Saturday 24th April 1999
10:40 pm U.K. ¶
At last! A home for the Umatic enthusiast ..excellent!
I still originate material on Low Band Umatic for my less affluent clients, it's an excellent format both for the home enthusiast and those with abitions within the video industry... The New NLE technologies make Umatic an even better bet these days....
Incidentally I can probably help with at least some of those old pinouts ...the 8 pin EIAJ socket is an early attempt ayt something like SCART ...only better.... It's a good way of connecting your Umatic to a VHS for two way dubbing..
Friday 23rd April 1999
3:15 pm U.K. ¶
Cool Umatic pages -Thanks!
My U-Matic bargain was one of the old Low Band PAL/NTSC switchable VO2xxx machines from a car boot for 5 pounds. As far as I can tell it works fine and after a cleanup/demag and with a new tape in, gives amazing quality. The only problem is the back breaking size and weight of the thing. I can take a picture if required. Are we likely to see the older models featured (with the pinouts of the odd connectors on the back if possible :-) ) ??
Tuesday 13th April 1999
10:49 pm U.K. ¶
Welcome to the U-matic Chat Page. Many thanks to Room101 for making this available.