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Al
Friday 6th July 2001
3:10 pm U.K.

alfredreyes@ci.miami.fl.us

I am looking for a battery unit and/or power supply for the Sony VO6800. Any suggestions??

Freya
Friday 6th July 2001
10:20 am U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

There are 3 connectors on the back of my video camera:

VDHD/VSVideo (This last one is the one that I am getting the video from)

Another advantage of UMatic is no DCT artifacts. :)

freya
Thursday 5th July 2001
9:20 pm U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

>Freya - have you tried the chat page at the DV and firewire site? >This is the U-matic site at the end of the day.

That sounds really interesting! Where is it?

>We will let you know when we are putting some kit in the dustbin.

*giggle* Please do!I'm still considering UMatic because it is available cheaply but I'm wondering how sensible it is given that nonlinear editing is soooo cheap. (Say £350 for a digital 8 camera and £70 for a firewire card)

What does anyone here think?One obvious advantage is the limitations of time/size when working with firewire, Presumably UMatic can do up to 1 hour without problems?

love

Freya

Roland Pickett
Thursday 5th July 2001
7:02 pm U.K.

rpe@sitesource.co.uk

"It seems daft to pay some huge amount for UMatic when DV and firewire are so cheap." Freya - have you tried the chat page at the DV and firewire site?This is the U-matic site at the end of the day. We will let you know when we are putting some kit in the dustbin.

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Freya
Thursday 5th July 2001
12:13 pm U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

Oh and heres a bit of video from when I was playing, you can't see the problem much on this but you can every so often:

www.geocities.com/freya128/video/For_Tess.avi

Freya
Thursday 5th July 2001
12:09 pm U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

BTW Rein thanks ever so much for your message.Here are some still images I took with my video camera a while back,you can see the banding effect:

www.geocities.com/freya128/photo/Freya2.jpgwww.geocities.com/freya128/photo/Freya_Pengy7.jpg

Freya
Thursday 5th July 2001
12:01 pm U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

>The resolution of U-Matic low-band is 250 for colour and 280 for b/w

Does it have a special mode for b/w then? Do you flick a switch and get more lines?

>Only good quality (usually expensive) computer cards have a bandwith >close to 300 lines. But I am sure that there is someone on this chat >page that is able to tell you a lott more about this subject.

Well it will do quite high resolutions if the processsor is fast enough. Higher than 640x480 as I remember but my computer isn't that fast.

It's a good tip about the earthloop. I don't have a battery powered monitor so I can't test it but perhaps it will give me some ideas.

Heres a strange thing. It has 3 connectors on the back. They are all the same kind of BNC connector. One is the composite video out, another is labelled HDV or something and I can't remember what the other is? I'm kind of curious what they are. I'll have a look when I get home and copy down what they all say next to them.

>You should use 75 ohms screened cable. If this isn't working the >input of the card isn't terminated with 75 ohms or the output of the >camera is faulty. Network cable is 60 or 90 ohms I am not sure. 60 >Ohms should work but 90 ohms can give visable reflections

Well the strange thing is that the network cable seems to give better results than the video cable! Both work, but the network cable is longer and works better, which made me wonder if the signal was too strong for the tv card and the extra signal loss in the network cable helped?

>Most camera's used on U-Matic used to be 2 or 3 CCD camera's.

Neat! Maybe one day I will see one for sale! I only ever seem to see cameras without portapaks for sale tho, and you can't really tell what they are, umatic or anything!

>The colour separation (washed out colour) is much better when using >two or three CCD's.

That's how I thought it worked! One CCD for each colour so nicer colours. But how does 2 CCD's work? Does that mean that one of your colours is more washed out than the others?

Oh I don't mind editing on a computer at all. In fact I'm thinking that if I can get the money together, then I might buy one of these digital 8 camera's for £350 and get a cheap and nasty firewire card, and see what I can do!

>Industrial or professional VHS Editing equipment is very expensive. >If you have enough room to use U-Matic I think that is the way to >go. Sometimes you can buy a complete U-Matic editing set for NZ$1000 >and sometimes even less.

I just have some old VHS recorders I found in the rubbish and I was thinking I might be able to use them in some kind of primitive but useful way. I don't have the kind of money to buy the kind of thing you are talking of I think! I would just go down the digital 8 firewire route, but I don't have that much money either! Ack.

I'm just trying to make video with whatever rubbish I can find. So far I'm getting suprisingly good results for what I have. You probably wouldn't think they were good results, but it's like the singing pig really, it's not that it sings well, it's that it can sing at all! I'm having lots of fun with it and I think it would be fun to try some more things so I'm asking strange question and trying to find out how I can make the rubbish that I have work better.

I don't think UMatic is worth it unless you can find it very cheap because non-linear editing is getting so cheap now! It seems daft to pay some huge amount for UMatic when DV and firewire are so cheap.

Rein Oosterling
Wednesday 4th July 2001
8:42 pm U.K.

oosterli@contact.net.nz

Freya,

The resolution of VHS is 250 lines (colour and b/w). The resolution of U-Matic low-band is 250 for colour and 280 for b/w. There are old tube based securety camera's that put out more lines than 250 or 280. But there are also tube based camera's that put out a lot less. If it is one off the first CCD camera's it will probably put out less than 250 lines and it will be "blind".The average video monitor has a horizontal resolution of 300 lines or less. Only the broadcast and top professional monitors show more than 400 lines.Your television also has a bandwith of roughly 300 to 400 lines with a perfect input signal. ( good Areal or satalite).Although VHS hase the same bandwith (horizontal resolution) as a U-Matic low-band, the U-Matic will give a better picture. Horizontal resolution is important, but not the only part that determines the quality off pictures.In your case the computer card is probably the "bottleneck". Only good quality (usually expensive) computer cards have a bandwith close to 300 lines. But I am sure that there is someone on this chat page that is able to tell you a lott more about this subject. I have never used a video/tv card.The bar can be an earthloop or a faulty supply in the camera.Check your camera on a battery operated monitor connected to the camera. If the bar isn't there anymore you have an earthloop from the computer to the camera. But I suspect the camera supply. Check it out.You should use 75 ohms screened cable. If this isn't working the input of the card isn't terminated with 75 ohms or the output of the camera is faulty. Network cable is 60 or 90 ohms I am not sure.60 Ohms should work but 90 ohms can give visable reflections.Some camara's have an output signal superimposed on a DC voltage. Maybe (although I find this unlikely) your card doesn't accept that.Most camera's used on U-Matic used to be 2 or 3 CCD camera's but again, there is probable someone here that knows more about the history of U-Matic. I started using it when it already was on its way out (relatively cheap, good quality and reliable). I wouldn't use a one CCD camera when you want to edit the material. The colour separation (washed out colour) is much better when using two or three CCD's.If you don't like editing on a computer and want to edit on tape (lineair), don't use VHS. And don't use consumer equipment but industrial or professional. Industrial or professional VHS Editing equipment is very expensive. If you have enough room to use U-Matic I think that is the way to go. Sometimes you can buy a complete U-Matic editing set for NZ$1000 and sometimes even less. This is an edit controler, player and recorder with the cables. A VHS editing recorder alone is more than twice the 1000 dollars. And used U-Matic tapes are not expensive.It was a long story, but you had many questions.

Michael Spencer
Wednesday 4th July 2001
7:31 pm U.K.

Michael@loxley53.freeserve.co.uk

Looking to purchase panasonic WJAVE55 AV mixer, nearly new/used or totally second hand.

Anybody help?

Rein Oosterling
Wednesday 4th July 2001
7:14 pm U.K.

oosterli@contact.net.nz

Tape and case are roughly 700 gram. (Sony KSP60).

mike
Wednesday 4th July 2001
5:35 pm U.K.

mikl84@yahoo.com

Just wondering what the weight of a large size umatic cassette tape and case are- I just bought 35 tapes off eBay and I think my seller is trying to screw me on shipping-

Matthew Lombard
Wednesday 4th July 2001
11:28 am U.K.

fdccurator@deakin.edu.au

I have just obtained a Sony VO-2630 U-matic video unit. The machine is not currently running, I am wondering if anybody could help me with an instruction manual to start with. Id also like to acquire a service manual, at some point, or would be happy to aquire one if I cannot get an instruction manual. Anything that would help me work out what is wrong with the machine would be much appreciated.

Geelong, Victoria, Australia

Freya
Wednesday 4th July 2001
10:04 am U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

Does anyone have a Studio 400 setup?I bought a mixer unit from a carboot sale recently (I didn't really know what it was) and I don't have any software for it and it seems impossible to download software for it. I expect it is preety useless without the special wire thing but maybe I can use it for titling or something?

Can anyone help me with the software?

Freya
Wednesday 4th July 2001
10:02 am U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

I've just started playing with video the last few months.

Someone gave me this old tv camera.I think it might be tube based? It's very old and long, and it is black and white. Might have been designed for security applications but it used to be connected to an Apple II!!!

I love my old camera! :)

How does the resolution of cameras work. I mean if I connect a camera to my computer or to a video recorder, is the only limit in resolution the recording medium? Surely there must be a limit to what the camera puts out?

Also I get a slightly wierd effect where a bar of distortion moves up the screen. Anyone know why?

I presently have my camera connected to my computer via a cheap and nasty tv card. I'm using a bit of old network cable connected to a phono jack to connect the camera. I recently bought a real video cable from the car boot sale but this seems to give worse results than my network cable and the network cable is nice and long! :)Any idea why this is, do you think that the signal from the camera might be too strong.

Also what kind of cameras are used with umatic equipment. I never see any mention here of cameras? Did umatic cameras tend to be based on a single CCD. I notice that most cam corders have sort of washed out colour. It's a big distingishing effect. Is this because they only use a single CCD? Or something else?

Sorry if I ask stupid things. I'm not so up on video but I'm trying to learn.

I'm also wondering whether to try and track down old UMATIC equipment or to attempt to do something with VHS. I have some found some old VHS equipment people were throwing away recently, but obviously it's for domestic use, could I do any kind of editing with this? I've not tried anything yet, I know it wasn't designed for it but maybe I can push it into doing something good somehow? And hey the videotape is cheap! :)

Any suggestion or observations of any kind are welcome! :)

Freya
Wednesday 4th July 2001
9:48 am U.K.

freya128@yahoo.com

>If you wish to have a better qaulity then U-matic, you'll end up >with DV , Betacam SP or M-II

I'm curious about digital 8. I see you can get cameras now for £350.Where does the quality of this fit in the spectrum?

dave
Monday 2nd July 2001
1:48 pm U.K.

jack_holcomb@hotmail.com

<<I was given a set of U-Matic Rec/Players VO5800PS, VO 5850P and a remote-control unit RM 440. But there“s no remote-cable between the Rec/Player and the RM 440. Here in Germany it couldn“t find one>>

Klaus - try eBay.com in the Professional video boards, you wont get them free, but a lot cheaper than Sony or a dealer.

Mike,

I agree with you but I think that folks here like low tech, why else would we be using these old U wrappers :)

My biggest beef is not the layout, its that you cant use HTML here, which really limits my creativity :)

Roland Pickett
Sunday 1st July 2001
9:25 pm U.K.

rpe@sitesource.co.uk

Roy - I just had a thought - the tapes could be in highband format and you are trying to play them on a low band machine. Check them out on a BVU or 9 series player if you have access to one.

Roland Pickett
Sunday 1st July 2001
9:21 pm U.K.

rpe@sitesource.co.uk

Roy - sounds like one of those 5630H medical machines. Is the model 5630H or 5630P (PAL) or 5630A (NTSC)? John, I will make enquiries about the bus. You don't want an MGB sports car by any chance?

John Freitas
Sunday 1st July 2001
9:04 pm U.K.

john@bluenorth.com

This is way off base but I really don't know anybody in England. Anyway, besides u-matic I am very interested in buying a double decker bus. Does anyone know where I can get a good used one, How much they go for, and any idea how I would get it to the USA???

Thanks for any help.

John Freitas

Roy
Sunday 1st July 2001
8:10 pm U.K.

Roy@reliance.nl

Hi there,

I just bought a Umatic Sony 5630 player wich i only want to use to play some american course material. All the tapes are KSP-60 and there is nothing written on it. When i play the tapes i only get black and white picture. I tried the PAL and the NTSC switch on the front of the machine. There is no picture when i switch it on NTSC and black and white on PAL. Is there any one who can help me to get the color pictice on my screen. I am using a video cable directly from the player to my TV. ( i am using a bnc to tulp converter on the backside of the player)

thanks Roy

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