LEONARD SAID: You guys are so petty and tripe, oh gee seller re-cycles pictures so what. This one lives in Canada, he had two bidders who signed on the same day from Canada bid the unit up higher. Oh, that's terrible. Illegal, immoral, etc. Damnit. Gee , I wish I could be like you guys on this forum , with absolutely nothing to do except comb through an auction site to pick out sellers and so on. Gee,***************************Well LEONARD, I wonder how you would feel if you bought something on eBay simply because the pictures caught your eye. of the item sold you. Then you found out after you paid good money that what you saw in the auction was not the what you bought. Or payed more for the "re-cycles picture" auction because shill bidders were bidding it up? But I guess doing things that are illegal doesnt bother you? It bothered eBay and it bothered us-- Now they are NON REGISTERED USERS.

IN regards to your car dealership metaphor, Kris, what people Like Snaling did was like putting a real good shine on a junker to make it look new... We'd seen him buy junk VCRs and throw together the best looking parts... plus he bid on his own auctions and so on, so he was like that shifty-eyed stereotypical cartoon car dealer, not someone with high prices but reputable service...

Sean:

Thats a good point, but please explain to me the following.

I have been ebaying for several years. I have been burned a few times but have learned from past mistakes. Certainly, I check the seller ID for postive feedback VS negative feedback. I also email his past bidders and ask for any input ( if the item warrants it. eg. a High ticket item such our beloved beta vcrs)

What difference does it make if the seller bids on his own item? I am bidding or an item, and it goes more than I woould like to pay. I am not forced with a gun on my head to keep on bidding. I am not being forced to, and I can go and bid somwhere else.

Also, I can put an ad on the local paper, and hope to get a better deal..

or.. I can also bid on a lower item with the usual tag " no tape to test it with ", and ope that works as well. In the long run, if you want quality, its gonna cost you.

My curiosity got the better of me, when I read several bad " raps " about a snail in this board. I emailed his customers asking about the quality of the items received. In each case I was surprised to hear back reports that the items recieved were either in better shape or the very least better than expected. Not only that, but a warranty was included in the sale. others, even claimed that their units were either exchanged or repaired once they failed to meet its task, to play the tape.

Finally, what difference does it make, if the seller bids on his item or not? You are not force to buy it from the seller. You can go elsewhere. Also, to my point of view, if the seller has a reserve auction, or if the seller bids on his own auctions obviosuly he has a price in mind on what he would like to get for his units in term of $$$$. There was a seller mentioned several times in this board. I will not name him/her since its non of my business, he can do whatever he wishes. But , as far as I am concerned, this seller had over 98% positive feedback rating and not a single feedback was ever left claiming a defective Beta vcr, non arriving beta vcr, or a broken - put together - type of beta vcr. Obviosuly, the end customer was happy with the sale and left positive feedback. its also noteworthy to write that most of the seller's customer had an average feedback rating of ovewr 40+, so they knew exactly what they were dealing with. As I mentioned earlier, I would rather pay a lot more for something that is guarantee to arrive working properly and as expected, rather than buy a gem for $50.00 only to later resale it at a loss ( since it doenst work ) or pay someone mega bucks to get it fix ( if you can get the parts to fix it ).

Hey Sean, I'm really really sorry, but I'm going to HAVE to sell that SL-HF300. Don't worry, you'll get your money back. I plan to start it at $35,00 so you get your $25 back and I can at least make $10. I'm in a dire financial situation here ; I need $7500 (expected) for college tuition this fall!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :(

Uh, OK jesse, I'll assume you've got the address to send the $$$ to...

friends,,,, leave the Bug alone,,, dont respond ,,,they will be dead!!!!!!!!!

If that's sarcasm, it's really poor quality. Even sadder though, is that I think you really mean it. That would certainly explain the boneheaded turn this board has taken.

Name: Sean MeskillEmail: [email protected] 4th May 4:28 pm U.K. Time http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021488588&category=39830

Wow! A reasonable price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15099&item=3022537258

Attention Beta Buyers: BETAGOODSsnail may be back in business! Same home town (Vancouver) and also auctions Atari games.......BEWARE!!!!!

Attention!

Fellow beta members!

I am a loser. I have nothing to do all day long. I actually live at home with my parents watching hardcore free porn via my dialup AOL connection. This is my FBI file statistic.

40 + years old. Single White Malenever had a girlfriend, cant deal with the opposite sex. Cant talk to one either.Cant talk to people. Only way of communication is by hiding behind my pc screenI am unemployed except for my new job at this forumCant deal socially with people, besides using this coffee stained keyboardI feel empowered to bash others in this group, as othersI am financially depended on my old folks for my daily living

Please, dont feel bad for me. Now with my new job, I will be able to make this forum a lot better!. Please sit back and enjoy, while I take care of cleaning this board of infidels!

Some one using my name on this chat page .. what the matter you feel sorry for these non registered users or are you one of them? Dont use my name , your the loser

We had people doing that a while ago... C'mon, people, just quit bugging us... We didn't dislike any of you until you decided to rain on our parade and NOBODY made you read this silly page! If you don't like it, go elsewhere... if you waste your time complaining to every page you don't like, it's YOU who don't have a life!

: KrisEmail: [email protected]

Nice job KRIS, but you should try typing different when your going to use my name. You seem to feel sorry for people that shill bid auctions higher to screw other buyers You also feel sorry for crooks and low life on eBay. You stand by these non registered users with a passion. Your works speak volumes.

Hmm. Now, I understand inaccurate pictures Ebay sellers may have. That is not a big deal. The important part is that they are selling what they describe. I'd hate to see a picture of a SL-HF1000, and receive a SL-100 instead for example. You get the point? I read the text first, and then refer to the picture afterwards. All I am wanting to say is, there is like a small clique' of people here that frequent the board and talk inane banter amongst themselves. It seems to be 3-4 people only who post here, and yes they do act like children as a previous poster said. If I was someone looking for a Beta, and came across this baord and found the drivel posted here I'd be outta here too. It don't help I am posting this drivel either but it sucks here to best put it. 3-4 people you know who you are . Seems to be either drivel about Ebay prices, or to "expose" yet another seller or whatever. No substance, just weak flame wars. Too bad I am just stupid and don't know anything, I wish I was smart like you all. Maybe I'd fit in. Ok, let me fire up the SL-7200 and see if the belts will not squeal tonight, it's been awhile since its been used. Leonard.

So leonard, if the picture shows a door on a betamax and the one you receive after all the shill bidding is over doesnt... It OK with you? I think when a person is selling a betamax for over $150.00 and is shilling up even more, he can at least put a picture of the Betamax that the buyer is bidding on. I realise that you dont care if the betamax looks like new in the picture and is actually filthy and may have a few pot holes in it, but it bothers me. Maybe im wrong?

Leonard, it seems that you are a reasonable person... well, let me say, I admit we have our silly fun, but I for one feel that because I do that sort of thing, I'm in a way obligated to provide speedy assistance to someone who needs help and comes asking for advice. Take a look at the archives, I think we all try to provide advice for newcommers.

Tom,

You are in dire need of help sir.

No, I was not the one that typed the above message.

nevertheless, you prove my point. I am not going to point fingers to anyone, since I really dont care what you do, or they do. ( you know who you are ) you are like a bully at a school yard full of children. Since you dont get much attention in real life, you want to " shine " in a board like this one. I always thought that a board similar to the one we are at, is suppose to be for mature audiences ( last time I checked, my teenager son didnt know or have interest in beta materials ) I do not have any personal gripe against you, or any other member of this board. Simply put, I voiced my opinions just like how you and many other people have done here.

I would like to ask you a question.

Could it be that you are a seller on ebay under a different @CS account? if so, then you are working hard in destroying other sellers reputation so you can sell your item at a similar or higher price?

Are you some sort of netcop? pricecop? How much would you sell me your SL-HF1000 unit ( if you could afford to have one ? ) Would you sell it to me for $ 200. 00 bucks? If not, why not?

It seems to be that on this board is not " OK " to buy/sell items at a " Market Demand Price " unless you happen to be an insider, where you can do whatever you wish and demand whatever price for your units. Again, I am not defending anyone, its called democracy. I voiced my opinion, and I got my right to voice it. Like it or not, you can read it or avoid it. You can also do the same with the ebay prices. Bid it, or avoid it. Dont sit there and complain 24/7 about how other people seem to make at least some money out of this hobby. Last time I walked into a hobby/collector store, they were out to make money. They dont tend to give " stuffs away , as a goodwill"

I dont feel sorry for the crooked seller, in fact they can go the way the dodo did. READ my last paragraph carefully. I am not defending anyone. Simply, I feel that if a seller sells his items for whatever the market is willing to pay, thats his business and none of yours. If you dont like it, dont read, dont bid. No one if forcing you to buy it. I come here to this board in hope of finding similar minded individuals who wants to learn on how to repair, get parts, or at least some info on our beloved beta vcrs. I dont come here to read pages and pages full or links and articles on how bad is for other people to make any money.

Last time I checked my mechanic charged me $300.00 US to change a water pump on my blazer + parts! YIKES!. Certainly, thats what the market is willing to pay in labour, so I have no choice but to pay up. Did I go on a net crusade because I dont think its fair to pay someone $40 + an hour for the repair? nah, got better things to do like WORK, FAMILY TIME, or simpy, sit back and enjoy a beta movie.

Sean, regarding Ebay sellers. I'll read their description CAREFULLY first. If there are any details missing, I will email the seller and ASK. If they answer me, and help to explain the item in question I'll quite possibly bid. If they don't answer me, its obvious that I won't bid. It's quite simple. If I am selling an item on Ebay, I list every defect (cosmetic or function-wise), and hope I got it all covered. I assume most sellers do the same, but there are bad apples out there. It's all common sense, and if you don't have it then you will likely get burned. People let themselves get caught up and may overbid on some items but that is how it goes. I've purchased alot off Ebay, and been burned two times. This has been since 1997 mind you. Hundreds of transactions later. Just be careful, and use some common sense, don't let the particular item being offered "get to you" , and you will do OK on that forum. I do agree with the previous poster (forget your name) about the worthyness of paying for items guaranteed. What good is getting a "deal" on a SL-HF1000 for $10.00 when its just a carcass that the electronic vultures picked clean? Or, it is all complete but yet.. a big fat wrestler body-slammed the thing.. but yet it works, or not? I don't get that, gambling for electronics like that. I gladly purchase used units that the seller with backup. It's worth it, and if I end up paying alot more for it than the "market" price so what. If it works and makes me happy that is the bottom line. This is the end of me calling you all cheapskates, I hope you can understand why people will pay money for units, and if they are stupid enough to pay alot for units that sellers say "I don't have a tape to test it.." then that is their problem. Not yours. Good night, and the SL-7200 did not squeal the belts when I fired it up earlier. Leonard.

I've bough all kinds of units, I've paid upwards of $100 for things with waranty and so on, and rarely over $ 30, no matter what, for stuff listed as "as-is" and roghly %50 of the as-is stuff works. as-is means as-is and I don't pay any more for it than I would if they said it didn't work. I paid like $20 for an SL-2000 and it didn't work. I paid $20 for a JVC BR-6400U and it needed one belt only and works like a champ, and I paid 30 for an MVP-2500 that works fine with no service.

I just found this site on google and, frankly, I'm shocked. I thought this was a board with useful Betamax information, but instead it's a bunch of babies crying over eBay.

Mr. Watchdog... your conclusions are based on speculative garbage. I am a Canadian, and I exclusively buy from other Canadians. Why would I waste my hard earned money buying from an American when I would have to pay higher postage, duty and taxes (charged by Canada Customs)? Makes sense, doesn't it?

Next, I notice you complain about auctions being bid on by low/no feedback people... jacking up the price at the end. Well, if you have been on eBay for as long as I have, you would know that this is very common and does not indicate shill bidding. New buyers tend to get carried away and overpay for items everyday. I've sold items on eBay that were bid up to astronomical prices near the end... should I complain about it? Or maybe I should tell the newbies "Gee whiz, you are paying waaay to much for my widget... here, take a 50% discount". Yeah, sure. I'll get right on it!

As for people reusing pictures... <yawn>... get over it! Why would you keep taking pictures of items that are the same? Last time I checked, you really can not see *any* fine details on the vast majority of eBay pictures. The resolution is just too low.

Watchdog, you really need to find something else to do with your time. Anyone who obsesses over eBay autions as much as you do should seek councilling and medication. Ever heard of obsessive compulsive disorder? Or how about schizophrenia (I know they are all out to get me! Damn those evil BETA sellers!)

In conclusion, please get a life!! These are only VCR's for gods sake! If you don't want to buy seller X's product, DON'T BID ON IT!

To the petty whiners who complain aobut the 'inane banter' on this page. It is not likely the content of this page is going to change because

(A) enough people like it this way and(B) nobody cares about currying your favour to want to change our behaviour to suit you.(C) we don't like you, you're not one of friends and your unconstructive negativity is no way to 'get on our good side'.

Yes we're a rather tight little clique but we're very welcoming to those who don't make it their life mission to rile us. Anyone with a love (or even a mere passing fancy) for Beta is perfectly welcome.

On the subject of eBay...

Shill bidding is expressly forbidden by the eBay system and violators are punished by a period of suspension and/or full expulsion. As eBay puts it, your bid is a legally binding contract requiring the full faith and credit of both trading partners. Our complaint is not with eBay but with some of the shadier users of the eBay system. At any rate eBay is pretty much the only game on the net when it comes to the Beta market - any other option doesn't have the selection or they require you to give them a credit card just to bid - something I'm not willing to do.

On the 'fair market value' of Beta - well that's pretty much a myth. There is no 'fair market'. The Betasnails are using their ability to buy up betas from legitimate bidders and resell them in high reserve non-auctions that guarantee their profit or shill bid their own auctions to force up prices. The average person who just needs to get a Beta to transfer tape doesn't know that Betas are much cheaper to obtain than the Betasnail want them to think. If people knew that most of the 'market demand' for Betas is created by betasnails than they are that much the wiser consumer.

Consumer education and eBay watching is going to be discussed on this chatpage whether you trolls like it or not. If you can't deal with that than find another bridge to dwell under.

Once again, acting like kids.

Just because some of us do not share your ideas regarding ebay etc... does it make us " BETA TERRORS " Does our difference in idea make me a troll?

Basicly, you should take the same amount of medicine you are giving out to the so called " trolls ".... dont like what you are reading? take a hike somewhere else. This is a public forum and I and many others will come here whenever we please , whenever I feel like it. Dont like my posts or ideas? Dont read it. Is not difficult.

Dear Franny,

Last time I checked, this was a PUBLIC message board and open to anyone who wants to participate. If you are so sensitive to criticism, why do you dole it out so freely? Your arguements are illogical, childish and immature. If you don't want to bid on someones reserve auction, do us all a favor and DON'T BID!

As for shill bidders, yes they are rather naughty and somewhat greedy, but what is so terrible about their actions? They are not forcing anyone to pay anything. People have already bid a certain amount and are commited to spending that amount. Yes shill bidding is illegal, but if you don't want to spend more than X dollars, DON'T BID MORE THAN X DOLLARS!

Also, why is buying low priced items and reselling them a bad thing? Every retail outlet does it every day!! Should be boycott Wal-Mart because they buy up tons of wholesale items and resell them for profit? Such evil people should be destroyed, right? GIVE ME A BREAK!

Please answer me this one question... what made it your life's mission to police eBay? What posseses you to track auctions and watch for shill bidders? Is some voice in your head making you do it? Is your life so empty and meaningless that you find enjoyment in destroying other people's business? If these guys want to buy and resell Beta VCR's, and can make a profit at it, good for them.

I'll say we keep an eye on Ebay because we use it... we want to protect ourselves. It's not our "Life's mission" or anything. We do it. So there.

Also, the people who buy & resell VCRs and are the ones we criticize a lot are the ones who engage in the illegal practice of shill bidding... me may gripe a bit about, say, VCRGary or others but Snaling/Someko and that Betagoods character were doing something forbidden by Ebay and we're trying to look out for eachother... you should be glad we spotted these people... it's the difference between a store that charges high prices getting a few grumbles and one that gets its merchandise from hijacking trucks...

Dear Sean,

Who are you protecting? If you already know what the "real" price is, how is tracking auctions going to protect you? If you want to buy something, check out the sellers feedback rating and bid accordingly. Whining about naughty sellers isn't going to accomplish anything.

Besides, who will benefit from a couple of messages on a Brit chat page? I really don't think the average Beta buyer is going to check out this obscure litte message board before bidding. Normal people will check feedback, check auction histories and BID!

Come on now, doesn't that make sense? Geesh!

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Hijacking trucks? Come now, last time I checked, buying and reselling items on eBay does not equate to hijack! Shill bidding doesn't hurt anyone except the seller. If he outbids his buyers, then he gets stuck with the eBay fees and can't really get a refund. If you don't like the price, don't bid! It's really that simple.

This is a sad joke!

Sean,

Does anyone forces you to bid or buy an item? If you think this vcr is worh $20.00, then just bid 20.00 dont go any higher. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. A used car dealership will buy cars in a auction so he/she can resell it to you at a profit. how much does he makes? Well, he can make anywhere from 5.00 bucks to thousands of dollars. Are you forced to buy this " crooked" car salesman vehicle? Of course not!

A so called ebay dealer still have to inhale oxygen, eat food to stay alive and press some keys on the keyboard to purchase an item. If you can do the same, then you can also buy a low price non working vcr so you can then resell it.

What really gets to me , is that I came to this board in hope of finding info and parts for my vcr. I am sad to say, that the only thing I found was a bunch of over the hill people bitching and snapping at each other. I wonder how we all act in real life. I for once, have a like, work, and family responsability. I do not have the time, ( yet anyhow ) to spend hours on front of my pc.

So, what's your problem? You want to protect "Naughty" ebay sellers from our "Whining"... Right... We all benefit from this awareness and you should thank the people who caught the "Naughty" ebay sellers instead of criticize them... Do you criticize police when they capture "Naughty" criminals too?

Kris, you just made my point for me about as-is items. I'l bid what I would if it were broken. Nobody forces me to buy. Well, since you mention it, what VCR do you have and what parts do you need? No need to be too standoffish, I don't see why normal business can't carry on in spite of angry people...

Sean,

Since when were you deputized an official eBay cop? While I may not complain about police, I do find myself annoyed at "rats" or people who are so self-rightous that they willingly cast the first stone. Tell me, how would you feel if I went through your neighbourhood, posing as a police officer, searching your home to look for illegal items? I'm helping the police and the neighbourhood right? You should be happy I'm protecting you and your neighbours... but would you welcome me with open arms? I think not.

We're not trying to be the police, we don't punish these people, but would you hate somebody who told you to be careful of a guy because he likes to pinch people's wallets?

Hi

thanks for your offer.

I didnt mean to come across as uptight.

I wanted to find out why my sl-hf400 plays too fast. I was told that it needs a new ACE head. Theres a pic on this board about the ACE head for a similar unit... but cannot find it anywhere. Any help is appreciated.

To annoyed Canadian E-bayer eh?

Shhhhhhhhhhhh! ixnay on the ostingpay eh? you're blowing our Canadian World Domination Scheme eh? We need to sell overpriced dodgy broken-down Betas to those stupid gullible Americans to finance our weopon of mass destruction programme as well as the continuance of our cultural infiltration.

They still think we're just simple friendly neighbours to the north...

Bob & Doug,

LOL!!!!

If your SL-HF 400 is playing tapes too fast it may be the capstan speed needs readjusting. Look for a CAPFREE trimpot on the system control board.

to: @$$holes... quite down. Real business is about to carry on... you know.. what you want to see. give it a chance... don't poke the Betaphiles.

To: Kris. Have you tried cleaing the ACL head? Also there are three trimpots for adjusting the playback speed. Does it play wrong at only one speed (i.e. will a BIII tape play OK but not a BII? Do you have a BI tape to play with? If you find these trimpots (Marked with the speed and another notation, all should be together) mark them wiht a fine marker and try knocking down the speed a bit to see if you can get it right.

Oh and Franny has a good pint too with the master CAPFREE trimpot... oops.

You will bow down before the mighty Maple Leaf or we will release our weapons of ASS destruction! i've been loading up on Molsons and back-bacon and I feel quite a ripper coming on...

FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT!

Hi guys,

I did come across the freecap pot. It does play fine in Beta II, but not in III. beta II plays right, but beta III it goes top notch.

I also have this other SL-HF400 ( which I took apart in hope if fixing the other one ) this unit simply refuses to accept the tape. It will take it in and ejects right away. I have spend days and hours on http://www.googles.com and read many posts about the tape transport being the problem. eg. broken gear. I can assure you this is not the case, since i swapped the #$@#$#@$ loading mechanism to the sl-hf400 that is currently playing to fast. If I can reverse the process and put the other sl-hf400 together ( the one that ejects the tape ), then in it should all work. What do you guys think?

Yeah Kris it sounds like you might need to turn down the BIII pot if you can find it. I can't tell you where to look not actually having a 400 myself... but it's probably on the same board as the CAPFREE. Cleaning the ACL head of course can't be BAD.

Well the other big problem with older Betas is where the capaciters dry out and are no longer effective at their assigned tasks like keeping proper tape speed. If you have some electrical engineering ability you might be able to root out the malfunctioning capaciter. In multi-speed Betas there will likely be a trimpot for each speed.

Well if you can adjust successfully there is no need to do change anything, but if you have to get close to or at the end of the trimpot's range, then it's time to look for dried out electrolytics, or have it done if you can't...

to :Mr Sean you made your point ,very unwise to respond again.####################################################

I'm about to give up on this board. Would a person walk into a baseball card convention and yell, "This is stupid! You are wasting your lives with a pointless hobby! You are all friendless nerds!"

Of course not, becasue the person would have to face the conventioneers. If you want to comment, show some tact and leave a valid email address. I can't stand anonymous commentators. Betamax is just one of my hobbies, and I will pursue it to the full extent, regardless of rude posts.

I almost didn't post this message because I figured I'd just be posting it again in a few months.

Thanks, Jesse

To: Kris, Annoyed Canadian Ebayer

You call the regulars on this site whiney children, and it makes me laugh out loud. The first messages (and all the others) from both of you were exactly that. If you actually want someone to read and give a crap about what you say, that certainly is not the right approach. And as for Kris wanting help, why didn't you just post about that in your first message without the whiney crap? I can't blame the others if they don't want to help you now, but if they do, great. Now, why don't *all* of you quit the whiney children act and grow up? That goes double for Kris and Annoyed Canadia Ebayer, who in my eyes are truley hypocrites. That's all.

Jesse ....have a look at this...

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d32034605

http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/53927145

eey Francess cute Funky Betaamach

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d32078816

Hope the scumback won't move the pict to Ebay'''''''

Beejerky:

Try finding help, but having going through pages of bulls-t about people bitching over little matters..... shees.. isnt this a grown up adult board? or are we all teenager?

Jesse:

Even although it may come to a shock to you, I dont post my real email address since I am already getting enough spam as it is. Also, It may be hard for many people here to swallow, but I have better things to do than sit in front of this keyboard, having a stroke over little matters such as flame wars. There is a whole better world out there, and I dont feel its worth my time to sit here responding to every single email that reaches my inbox.

Also, regarding your baseball field metaphor.

If you walk into a baseball field, with your glove , bat , a cap expecting to learn or play. Wouldnt you feel depressed and possibly outrage just to find out that the field you walked into has nothing to do with baseball at all? That the field that you walked into sounds and looks like a typical rowdy strip joint you see on late night movies? thats not it. lets say some people in the baseball field has been in the field club for a while now, just because of it, so so thinks he owns the whole field and decides you are not worthy to be standing where you are and wants you out. How would you react? Would you break up and cry ask for forgiveness and run away? Or if you have any sort of backbone, then you would fight back for your god given right to be there and voice your opinion on the matter. Baseball is baseball not a fightclub. Just because you do not share the same logistic ideas with everyone else, doesnt give anyone the right to decides you are a troll, an idiot, or many other insults this board seems to spew forth.

Well, for everyone else.. regarding my Sl-HF400 ( thanks in advance )

What would cause the sl-hf400 to eject a tape roughly about 2 seconds after it has been inserted? it doesnt load the tape around the video drum. It simply goes in then out. I have ruled out a broken gear ( loading mechanism ) since I replaced the whole cart with a known good working one from my another unit ( the one playing too fast )

Could it be the power supply? or some sensor ? I have tried to swap as many parts as posible from my other unit in an attempt to get one to work :(

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Hi

Does anyone here knows what would cause a Sl-2400C vcr to play a tape normally for approx 2 hours, but then seems to loose tracking ( ACE HEAD? ) and the playback video goes extremelly fast / audio sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks... kinda funny to watch unless you are trying to xfer some video over from beta to VHS :*( I have tried cleaning the tape path, pinch roller and ace control head to no avail. The other question I have is if its possible to buy a new pinch roller for this old beta vcr. I wonder of the problem is due to the pinch roller not being able to maintain a constant pressure to the capstain due to old age/wear and tear.

thank you.

That last one sound like that electrolyte dryout problem or a heat sensitive component is overheating. If the machine is no longer functional then I'd suspect the former. If after cooling off the machine returns to normal functioning then I'd suspect the latter.

A phone call to Sony service or a visit to the Sony parts page http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/ should be able to get you a fresh pinch roller if you feel the need to replace yours.

I find it ironic that this PAL chat page seems to be taken over by NTSC people with a fixation for Ebay. NTSC being the video system of the USA, a country based on making money in ANY possible way. I personally have given up on the American Ebay as most sellers won't ship outside their precious North America.If this chat page was working properly, people would be trading here and nobody would have to worry about who is making money on Ebay.Let's forget about Ebay and get back to what this was all about, trying to help each other keeping our Betamax machines up and running.

Roderick, ebay is important to this page for one reason, Its a great place to pick up Betamax machines. Its also a great venue to get a parts machine or what ever. When Ebay becomes a den for crooks it affects the bidders that may be a Beta chat Page person.*********** ALSO KRIS, I know that you're so busy and as you stated I have no life, but you have posted over 10 messages just today.. Better look in the mirror

Yes! You silly people have been clogging up the board with long droning posts that will probably make the owners shut it down. Anyways, could one adjust the pots to play in BII so fast that a Betacam tape plays? LOLL.. Probably not, right? Just asking. I can't see the "Betascan" logo on the (sl-5800?) in The (loading) Ring. I knoww!!! I was surprised at how nice the beta's picture looked, and then not-really-suprised when I saw the VHS picture, it looked like a servo trying to come up to speed at the beginning! Hahah.,.

oops, I meant BI. LOL..

I'm not sure... you could instead get yourself an SLO-323 which plays only BI (So it wouldn't try to select a speed) and turn up the variable speed all the way to the top and MAYBE you'd get the audio but probably not the picture because Betacam is a different way of recording too... but you may get something... old penisonic open-reel tapes show a picture on Sony decks in F.forward!

Would make a nice Betamie except someone already has their 'pod on ithttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2926148990&category=3315

With the time that's left, I'd go for it anyway... worst that could happen is you'll be outbid, ya know...

Well this and the Beta PALsite are the only pages Google and all the other search engines (which more and more are just Google rebranded) find on the first page but if you insist, NTSC users are more than welcome to visit....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBetamaxVideographer/

Shameless plug for my group more or less dedicated to Betamax videography using Portabeta/cameras and/or Betamovies but really is more a 'dropzone' for trading MP3s

or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/betamax/

or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/betavideo

or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/betainformer/

or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/professionalportables/

or the BetaloreII page at http://www.quicktopic.com/16/H/7L8CrFSk7E7

hi everybody

i want to buy a beta hifi, somebody knows where to buy?

i live in Mexico City

I'd try any place that's likely to sell used goods, as well as looking in classified ads or even posting your own. If you've got a little more money to spend, try Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/

and be carefull of Fraud!!!!!!!

Hey there killer, try posting in English... sorry if you actually had something important to say, unlike the idiots we seem to attract lately...

Jesse A: Some fool listed this in a bad fashion, and it may very well stay low. It's the PERFECT mate to your VP-5000 and now all you need is a real rack and an RM-440. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022520226&category=21168

Kris: Any luck reviving the SL-HF-400's BIII capability? Or pulling a Dr. Frankenstein and getting one runner out of 2???

To Kris:

Since you confirmed there is no mechanical problem with the loading mechanism of your SL-HF400, I suggest you look for a bad switch at the end of the threading ring of this VCR.

According to the loading / threading timing chart, ejection will occur if the LOADING END switch is activated before the CASSETTE DOWN (ready to thread) switch.

Could be a bad microcontroller too. I wonder what would happen if you loaded / threaded a tape manually then trying a few modes... unless it ejects again !

As for the other one with the speed problem, well it looks like a worn ACE problem. Why in BIII but not in BII ?? Well, at BIII the tape goes slower and there is less back tension, therefore making the CTL pulse harder to pick up. As with any wear with anything, it should degrade over time. You can confirm this problem by putting a little more back tension on the tape during playback (gently pull the lever with your fingers). Then the playback should be fine.

Regarding potentiometer adjustments, I say it's a wrong idea to mess with these. Having to move them from their original position means something else went wrong which should be fixed.

Of course, semiconductors (esp. electrolytic caps) values drift over time and pot adjustment could become necessary at some point. Nevertheless, problems caused by drifting parts rarely occur suddendly.

Note that the vast majority of VCR problems are related to mechanics. This is definately the first place to investigate when a problem occurs before messing up with any electronic part.

Well if the extra back tension fixes the problem see if there is a SKEW pot or the like... Old U-matics had a SKEW control right on the front. The value drift of elecrolytics is why there are adjustments, but the reasons Homer stated are why you need to mark them before you adjust.

about the 400: if it's been previously worked on , it's possible the s- loading ring was not properly lined up with respect to the correct hole in the chassis. this would definitely screw up tape loading and ejection.

looks like i missed all the exitement last weekend . let's see what happens before i decide to throw my 2 cents in....

Hi therethanks to everyone who read/replied to my sl-hf400 woes post.

I tool the unit apart. This is what I have done so far. - " All parts that have been swapped come from a known good working unit . Summary. SL_HF400 that ejects tape as soon as its inserted.

1. swapped power supply ( hey, you never know :)2. Swapped loading tray with one that works3. swapped the take up reel motor - bottom play that moves the reel. The whole works including its sensor ( I guess the one that tells the vcr which way the reel is moving eg. FF/RW )

Still the same problem.

A replied came in by Homer, he said to check the LOADING END switch , gonna have to work on that one. No idea what it looks like!

I pulled the information out of the SL-HF1000 operation manual, which describes every single function of the machine. Very interesting reading. That's where I found the info about tape position switches, which are CASSETTE IN, CASSETTE DOWN and LOADING END.

Alas, it gives the label of the switch but don't tell about its location. Logically, the last switch activated when the tape threads is the switch at the end of the threading ring.

Since I may be wrong I will double check this theory with a service manual.

More on that later

Homer,

I think I typed my post wrong. I wanted to let everyone know how thanksful I am for any help :) and any replies I am receiving.

Right now my sl-hf400 is in peices trying to sort this out.

Good news, I think I may have found the problem.

Looks like the Little blue thing that looks like a hammer which pinch the roller to the capstain is not working / the motor that drives the tape around the drum is overheating and not working either.

Yes, I love that skew control on the front of the u-mies. Makes them seem more "professional"I suppose. But, when I adjust mine while tape is playing on u-mie it has no effect.

Does anyone know where I may be able to obtain parts for a SL-HF750? The OEM p/n's are 1-237-211-11 (resistor) and 3-696-103-01 (knob for headphone jack). Any assistance or advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards

SANYO SUPERBETA MODEL 7250 - quit working so long ago I cannot remember what problem was - local repair shop couldn't find parts. I'm more than happy to part with it if anyone wants it - and can pick it up (Springfield, IL) or wants to pay some local pacling & shipping service to pick it up, it's yours.

Ditto on MAC Plus with no hard drive - though it works fine. It is actually packed in original shipping boxes, so it might survive shipping.

Hi everyone....I need some comment on SL HF 600 D,any kind of information about the deck would be helpfull.Thanks in advanced.

Regards,Boby

http://www.iglou.com/studiosound/index.htm#videohttp://www.diyvcrparts.com/Allen, try these sites for replacement parts for Sanyo Betas.

addition to my last post:;It's the digital deck not the HF600.

well http://www.betamax.to/ WOULD have been the place but they're about as dead as dead can be...

Yes Why are this site close? was a nice site "betamax.co"

Well the Betamax.TO owner had posted in the weeks before shutting it down that he was having trouble paying for it and at the time was dropping elements of the site in an attempt to keep it on a going basis.

Thanks, sad its go this way for betamax.co. I wonder? on the pal site thereare a short note about ED PAL Beta? and maby 2 years ago on this site someonesold a sl-hf 1000 PAL version? maby there are one out there who have someinformation about this models?

UH... an SL-Hf-1000 PAL version? Never heard of it... maybe one sold in the UK if they have a 50Hz switch, which is likely since that VCR had so many features the only thing it didn't do was take out the trash... The service manual for my VO-2600 tells me how to convert it for 50Hz operation but I don't think it can be converted to PAL but the 1000 may be another story, plus NTSC betas had speeds while PAL Betas didn't...

Oh and it was Betamax.to, not .co. .to, Tokyo, I think, but I'm not sure...

Yes you right Sean, Betamax.to About sl-hf 1000? the seller say there was onlymade 1000 stk. PAL version and its was a pro unit if I remember right no tunerand the color was gray

the only link I found for sl hf 1000 palwww.walrus.co.uk/audiocentre/index.htm

Various items for sale at the following link, some pertain to this venue, some do not.

http://fullspectrumradio.jadephoenix.org/forsale.htm

Cool Stuff, Brenda! Have you ever seen A GE "World Monitor"??? Two are on Ebay now, but mine works MUCH better! It tunes and has all the antennae it's supposed to, but is missing that little booklet.

Gee...I look for a bit of information on every search engine with every languange still i cant find any word of SL HF600D.........___________???????????????????__________

After a long time of relentless search i come to a conclusion that there's no such merchant afterall.

http://home2.highway.ne.jp/soutoku/Beta/Betamax.html____________________________________#__________________________

Bobby: long before Betamax.TO closed shop I was able to download most of it's picture content. The following models were of the SL-HF~D catagory

SL-HF1000D, SL-HF501D, SL-HF701D, SL-HF85D, SL-HF90SD, SL-HF91D, SL-HF95D

There was also an SL-F301D mono digital effects model.

There was a PAL SuperBeta HiFi toploader called the SLO-1700 that seems to fit some of the description of that myster SL-HF1000 PAL model.

Hi,

Also me, I have got full nice pictures in the catalogues that all videorecorders Sony (1975-1993) from site betamax.to.

But perphars, I find site betamax.to for modify in the Microtsoft FrontPage with sheet HTML: http://www.geocities.co.jp/WallStreet-Bull/6813/blue-ribbonn-net.html ?

Bye.Sergio

Yes Francess, i was missinformed that there's digital model product.I think this would be one of your Fav download pic

just smile......http://www.sunysb.edu/doit/icte/Backgrounds/Snails/index.html

To Franny. Yes I now the model SLO 1700, but I found in betamax pal chat sitearchive site 4 one letter from the seller of the SL HF 1000 PAL he posted about4 letters but just to show you the most important letter about Sl Hf 1000 pal salesher it is. Regarding PAL SL-HF1K machines: They were ordered in late 1990 from Sony Broadcast and Professional in Badhoevedorp, the Netherlands for 3800,- Hlf a piece. They where never marketed for consumer use, as a matter of fact only around a 1000 pure PAL machine's like these two where build. Their grey coloured but look and function the same as the NTSC. Sony Netherlands,Belguim, Denmark and Australia where they only companies which ever sold these machines, they where put out of listing in favour of Professional Hi-8 We bought these machines because we got an first order from a now big client of us was using SuperBeta for roadshows, soon after they upgraded to Panasonic M-II. The recorders where never used since. Items are located in a big bassement of a dutch local TV station / Facilities company near Amsterdam. if you want to se the others letters go to chatpage archive site4 and the seller name are Walter Steenvoorden

I have changed the Power Supply module of my Dead SL-HF77ES ,costs only 5$ ;now it works just fine..Dont bin your dead Beta.You might as well change the STK module.I can possibly provide a wide range of power supply module/Regulator chipset STK XXXX-XXX-X at the moment.(for the Hi Fi Beta)

I put an Intel Processor Fan (from a Broken overclocked processor) at the back of my SL-HF95D wich in may way it just 'snap in' the hollow case.Then solder the cable to one of those DC path of the PW suplly PCB and add a Germanium Diode at red cable[to suppressed waveform build by the FAN).It cool down the Power Supply Heatshink and i can run it Dandy.

Hmmm... I doubt your diode has any effect but dropping 0.2-0.4 volt.

You d better use a capacitor for that matter.

Besides, theses fans have circuitry built-in to cut off ripple.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15099&item=3022537258To Kris and the others who find nothing bad about shill bidding. This e-Bay auction was put on by the no longer registered user known as BETAGOODS. He turned into QUALITY-RETRO the same day he was thrown off e-Bay. He shill bid again. Today he was thrown off again. We will not allow thiefs to continue, despite you protests. I ask others to help me clean up the auction site by taking down these Beta crooks. Thank you Palsite and others (Franny, Sean, Olive....), Tom