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Michael
Friday 26th July 2002
6:26 am U.K.

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White "sparkles" when a tape plays are symptomatic of a bad connection between the upper drum assembly and the arm that "bleeds off" staic charge built up from the rotating head. Of course, not all betas have this arm, like my SL-HF600, on which I just placed a new head that didn't affect the problem one way or another. Is there some other mechanism on these units that does the same thing that I should check out, or is it the lower drum itself? This is a sparkling effect and not "tadpoling," by the way.

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
6:26 am U.K.

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What does it say?

"THAT CRAPPY VHS DECK OVER THERE HAS GOT TO GO!"?

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
6:29 am U.K.

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just what is 'tadpolling'?

nnils
Friday 26th July 2002
9:45 am U.K.

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If you guys leave any more beer signs on the trail to that GCS-50 the thing will be covered with gastropods by the 30th. If I had only filed my income tax forms on time I'd be spending the refund check on that thing right now. Sigh, lament.

Sean Meskill
Friday 26th July 2002
3:23 pm U.K.

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Olive:I THINK tadpoling is a kind of Error with a drop-out type thing that looks like a tadpole... Just be glad they decided not to call it "Sperming"... No, erally, on the topic of SL-2410s, they DO talk, AND you can not turn it off, the "off" setting just turns it down real low... and they honk on the hour... Very funny but annoying if your TV is in your bedroom!

Sean.

Howard
Friday 26th July 2002
3:42 pm U.K.

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For whatever it's worth, looks like Absolute Beta out of Remington VA is geeting into the ebay beta-selling business; check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369185741. It is a SL-HFT7 internal amp/speaker VCR, with a 100 dollar minimum bid with a reserve price. As far as I know, this is the first time Absolute Beta has been selling betas on ebay. Wonder what the reserve price is on that unit? Howard

Franny Wentzel
Friday 26th July 2002
5:12 pm U.K.

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I wonder if the E-bay user 'randybetaman' who used to be known as randy-retro is one of us Betafans or is he the Snail's 'Mini-me'...

Sean Meskill
Friday 26th July 2002
5:25 pm U.K.

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Hmmm... Good question!

Franny Wentzel
Friday 26th July 2002
8:23 pm U.K.

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_________________________@_¼¼

Sean Meskill
Friday 26th July 2002
8:37 pm U.K.

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Franny, now you've got me stumped!What is that supposed to be?Or is it a mix-up from you having a German keyboard?

Sean.

Franny Wentzel
Friday 26th July 2002
9:26 pm U.K.

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The Snail

_________________________@_¼¼ "i think i'll go poach some betas so i can jack up the prices"

Sean Meskill
Friday 26th July 2002
10:12 pm U.K.

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NOW I see it!

Sean.

Madness
Friday 26th July 2002
10:13 pm U.K.

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Give 'im a big: ¶¦¬þ,'^: "PFFBBFFT!!!"

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
10:18 pm U.K.

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___________/ ______ [ O O ] _______________@_¼¼ '!!!'

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
10:19 pm U.K.

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That was supposed to be a car driving over snailie_______________@_¼¼ '!!!'

Franny Wentzel
Friday 26th July 2002
10:41 pm U.K.

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How 'bout a steam roller?

_______o&o[___________@_¼¼ '!!!'

Madness
Friday 26th July 2002
10:45 pm U.K.

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o o o o o o o o o 0 |¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯| ] [ | |¯¯¯¯¯| |_____/¯ ______] [_ | | | | | | |____________________| | ¯¯¯¯¯ | BS-RR |______________________________ { } { } /----------| | {___} {___}/ OOOOO

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
10:57 pm U.K.

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sleeeeech sleeeeech sleeeech________________[O O]@_¼¼

The liquid metal 'Snailinator' reassembles himself...

drags off a Beta tape...

Madness
Friday 26th July 2002
10:57 pm U.K.

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Was trying for multi-line ascii art, but it didn't keep the formatting. That was supposed to be a steam locomotive running over snailguy. ;)

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
11:05 pm U.K.

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I figured that but I couldn't find the line breaks...

o o o o o o o o o 0 |¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯| ] <br>?[ | |¯¯¯¯¯| |_____/¯ ______] [_ | | | | | | |____________________| | ¯¯¯¯¯ | BS-RR |______________________________ { } { } /----------| | {___} {___}/ OOOOO

Madness
Friday 26th July 2002
11:08 pm U.K.

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I'm guessing they were killed when I submitted it. Oh well.

Olive Thomas
Friday 26th July 2002
11:13 pm U.K.

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mail me a copy I wanna see some snailie 'snuff pix'!!!

betamovie ->[o o]=c ____________@_¼¼ <- soon to be dead snailie

jp ericksen
Saturday 27th July 2002
2:23 am U.K.

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We have two Sears brand Betavision video cassette recorders.

Different models.

one is model 56253121350

the other is model 56253221251

We need repair manuals for both and also belts.

Where should I look to find these items....on line or off?

Thanks.

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Olive Thomas
Saturday 27th July 2002
2:38 am U.K.

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Studiosound Electronics http://www.iglou.com/studiosound/index.htmhas belt kits for old Betas. Sears bought it's betas from Toshiba and Sanyo - mostly Sanyoi. From the model numbers you listed they sound like Toshiba OEMs so you'll want to look under Toshiba VCRs if Sears models arent listed.

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
4:09 am U.K.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369275186I have heard of some betacam decks that also play Betamax... This sounds like a rumor generated by stupid people using the wrong words. Does anyone know the right answer?

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Saturday 27th July 2002
5:43 am U.K.

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I don't see where it says it's a Betamax player as well...

UHF
Saturday 27th July 2002
10:12 am U.K.

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Isn't this meant to be a PALSITE? All I see is U.S. related posts. Haven't you got your own NTSC site?

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
11:04 am U.K.

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Not that I know of... I wish we did, but then we wouldn't have nice people like Franny and Casimir, who live in PAL countries... Don't bother with system, we all do our best to answer each other's questions.

Sean.

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
11:10 am U.K.

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Olive:I just posted a Betacam to make a point... I meant that somepeople who don't know any better say they play betamax, but I didn't know if that was really the case. If someone knows for SURE they play betamax, let us know. I for one don't think they do...

Sean

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
11:18 am U.K.

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Hmmm... I was wondering. A common complaint that people have with the betamovies is that they do not have any kind of video out in case you wanted to monitor the recording. I was wondering if someone knew the pinout for the viewfinder connection on the GCS-1 and BMC-1000K (Oh, if anyone is wondering, Sony still has parts for the betamovies at threir direct access parts center, you MUST put the "K" after the number, though.) This would let us mkae a sort of in-line adapter to get video out. This might not be so easy, however, as that signal might not have pure video in it anywhere, it might have the sync seprately or it might be only the luma because that's what the finder is anyway. Oh well, maybe that wasn't such a great idea after all. I'm up at this awful hour EST to get my brakes done...

Sean.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Saturday 27th July 2002
12:20 pm U.K.

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Sean,

If you can get me pinouts of those connections, I could design a simple interface for composite video (even monochrome could be handy). It's really no big deal to reinsert sync.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Saturday 27th July 2002
12:24 pm U.K.

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And what's so bad about 8:00 in the morning? I get up every weekday at 4 :30 AM, sometimes earlier.... :)

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
3:14 pm U.K.

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Well, it was 0700 here, and I had to get up... Not used to it, but of course before when I was in school I had to get up at 0630... ARGH! No, I'm not a morning person... Look and see how late some of my posts are!

Sean.

Franny Wentzel
Saturday 27th July 2002
3:21 pm U.K.

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Well given this site is advertised as 'The Definitive Betamax Web Resource' and one that even lists a 'token' SL-HF 300 in and amongst it's PAL database, the conciet that this is strictly a 'racially pure' PAL-only site is pretty much a thing of the past. This is what shows up on most search engines and unless Ray Glasser adds a chat page I reckon this is where the peoples of the Beta community would like to gather. It would be nice though if some Japanese Beta users would appear here. I'd like to hear their tales...

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
3:42 pm U.K.

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Yes, I too would like to see some Japanese users, but I think http://www.betamax.to/ has a chat page/message board like this, where all the japanese people can gather, moreover, would whatever they type on a Japanse keyboard be intelligable over here? I believe there are different versions of Windows for countries wtih different charecter sets, like Arabic and so on... Or maybe they just fear us because they think we will want them only to get us new Betamaxes, and ship them over here!

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Saturday 27th July 2002
3:43 pm U.K.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369437375

here snailie snailie snailie!

Broken SL-HF 1000...

Andy Sanchez
Saturday 27th July 2002
4:21 pm U.K.

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You know what bites about a SL-HF1000 with broken/bad/worn heads. Sony no longer has the videohead-disc assembly available for this VCR model. Bummer, aye? I know this, as it seems to be I happened to order the last one they had in stock. :-( Andy

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
4:38 pm U.K.

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Say, did the 1000 use the same heads as the 2100??? Good question!

Sean Meskill
Saturday 27th July 2002
4:39 pm U.K.

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Oh, and, Andy, did you get the VCRs? How's the SLO-340 situation?

Sean.

Casimir
Saturday 27th July 2002
8:25 pm U.K.

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But if the GCS-50 is very simmilar to the hf 1000 it might use the same heads and could be probably available. Just a tip. I'd wish that we all use the same video system. My theory about non-existing PAL-SECAM-NTSC Beta-HIFI machines is because the way it is recorded. NTSC uses video tracks to record hifi sound. PAL uses separate audio heads. It would explain why there are multisystem vhs HIFI VCRs because NTSC vhs VCRs use video heads to record HIFI sound like PAL. That's why my "made in china" thomson vcr says "NTSC playback in HIFI". I'm also wondering if the PAL ED-BETA machines history is true, if it's possible by the PAL system. Has anybody seen one? There could be in Singapore some strange multisystem betas, and could confirm or not my theory about multisystem Beta-HIFI VCRs.

Regards to all and hope this helps.

Casimir
Saturday 27th July 2002
8:48 pm U.K.

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Well, I investigated and I think I'm confused with my theory. I remind I asked about HIFI audio insert. With some HI8 PCM audio it would be possible. But I remind that someone said that video heads record hifi sound. Sorry I as confused.

Casimir
Saturday 27th July 2002
8:53 pm U.K.

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I was true at the begginning. Thanks to Steve Whelan.

!! The quality was not the best, but it was possible. I guess they just used a lower recording current for the video signal, and switched off the HiFi sound heads. Remember on PAL decks, it's not the video heads that write and read the HiFi sound - we have to have a separate pair of heads on the drum at a different position and angle and the signal is recorded depth-multiplex further into the tape. It couldn't replace the hifi audio, leaving the picture alone.

Casimir
Saturday 27th July 2002
8:56 pm U.K.

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Well, betamax archive is very useful.

And yes, Superbeta didn't triumph but also SVHS in europe is obsolete (there are no other PAL SVHS vcrs than JVC ones) :)

Brenda Ann Dyer
Saturday 27th July 2002
9:47 pm U.K.

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Sean:

Japanese keyboards (most of them, anyway) have the Latin character set printed on the keys, as well as the main Japanese character set(s). Windows OS has something called an IME, which allows you to choose which set you want to use, and allows input and display in that set. Korea is the same, My keyboards all have the Hangul alphabet and the Latin character set on them (Latin= base alphabet for most Western languages).

Casimir:

I believe that VHS Hi-Fi also uses that depth matrixed system for their Hi-Fi audio track.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Saturday 27th July 2002
9:53 pm U.K.

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Well, maybe that will look right to someone in a Korean OS.. :(

Madness
Saturday 27th July 2002
9:57 pm U.K.

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VHS hifi machines (at least NTSC one's; not sure about PAL/SECAM) use a similar technique. If I remember the technical stuff, NTSC beta has a microscopic gap between the luminescence and chrominescence parts of the video signal. Sony adopted this for hifi by having the video heads sandwich the hifi signal in the gap between the two parts of the video. When Sony announced it, they didn't think that JVC would be able to adopt VHS to hifi due to the lack of this gap. But JVS did so by creating that off-axis layering system of having separate audio heads on the drum that lay down the audio deep in the tape afterwhich the video is layed down. I'd guess that when Sony modified the beta format for PAL, the gap was left out requiring use of a similar layering system when it was further modified for hifi. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, however. ;)

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
12:32 am U.K.

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I found this on a search for Sony VO-2850 VCRs... He charges exhorbitant rates. He has an SLO-series machine if someone has more money than sense... ("more pence than sense" sounds nice...) But this guy seems crazy!

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
12:55 am U.K.

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could it be....__________________________@_¼¼ snailie?

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:03 am U.K.

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____@_¼¼ -"or this SLO-383"

____@_¼¼ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1368496010 ¼¼_@____

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:11 am U.K.

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here's one for the hardcore gansta techie not of the gastropod persuasion...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369553479

a VHS/Beta flowchart wall poster...

step by step checklist for troubleshooting your VCR

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Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:13 am U.K.

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I doubt it. People are stupid about these things. I am being given an editing suite consisting of VO-2850s. complete with TRI controller. They are obviosuly not worht $2,000...

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:20 am U.K.

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Gee.. who'd you have to sleep with to get a U-matic suite? ;o}

speaking of which...

Watching this episode of Columbo is that an early Umatic deck William Shatner just used to aid in the murder of his agent?

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:26 am U.K.

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It seems he drugged his friend while watching a ball game (that he was also taping with the U-matic) and when his friend passed out he capped the lady (who was hthe producer of the detective show he was starring in) came back home, set back the clock in the living room and rewound the tape to the point where his friend passed out woke him up and made like nothing happened...

Nothing sez campy fun like a Columbo with Bill Shatner in it...

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:37 am U.K.

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All you gastropod wannabes...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1368131772

An SL-HFT7 at $31 (and still under the reserve) ending in less that an hour...

_@_¼¼_@_¼¼@_¼¼_@_¼¼@_¼¼_@_¼¼@_¼¼_@_¼¼__________________________________[O O]

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
2:06 am U.K.

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I didn't have to do much to get the Umatic suite... The guy offered it to my friend Labmeister (that's his Ebay name, he doesn't touch our betamaxes, though!) who offered it straight to me. They are old and need a lube and tune up, etc, but nothing more. The edit controll is a Television Research Institute job... I know nothing about it.THe Umatic on TV, well, they only record for an Hour, not good for a baseball game... but clever! (Yeah, there WAS an LP varient but it was BAD. Umatic CAN be mistaken for live TV.)

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
2:33 am U.K.

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I've been informed that one of the few U-matics with a tuner was the VO-1600 and thus the most likely model used in the Columbo episode.

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
2:49 am U.K.

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Yeah, almost all the "First generation" Umatics had tuners, as they were intended for home use. Those were also the kind with piano keys for operation and most had an eject handle. Later models had no tuner and used solenoid cotrols (making them remote-controllable!) when Sony found out that more pros then consumers where buyng them. Of course a certain other Sony format became a smash in the home! (and was then brutally dispatched by a selfish company (ahem, JVC) and a marketing campaign without forsight (thanks, RCA, goodby Beta and Selectavision!))

Sean.

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
2:53 am U.K.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1368806126Somebody snap this up before the Snail gets his slime all over it! (yeah, anybody want an NP-11 battery, I can get you one, NIB, for $50, and I do mean ONE)as we know some sanyo is lousy but these I believe are Sony OEM, so they should be good!C'mon, somebody!Sean.

Andy Sanchez
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:00 am U.K.

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Regarding videoheads for the SL-HF1000/GCS-50. Both units use the same *identical*videohead-disc assembly. In fact, when I ordered the videohead for the SL-HF1000 I havehere , I thought I would use the GCS-50 in hopes of having Sony declare that they have 1,000,000 quantity of videohead in stock for that unit. Nope. I took the last one. Thevideohead-disc assembly ran me $187.00 . I think you can still purchase a complete drumassembly(upper drum,lower drum,head-disc) for the SL-HF1000/GCS-50 but I would not be surprised if the whole sh-bang runs $350+ $$$$$$ . I will assume that Ebay SL-HF1000 will fetch $500 , at the very least , despite it having a bad videohead. Andy

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:01 am U.K.

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I think snails generally go for Beta VTRs...

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Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:03 am U.K.

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and ignore the Betamovies

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Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:03 am U.K.

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Clever, Franny, I had to look at it for a minute, but I realize what it is now... Two snails closing in on a Beta VCR with jog/shuttle control... I like it... But that is still a nice price!

Madness
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:04 am U.K.

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I believe that U-matic is beta's big brother. They load in pretty much the same way. I'm guessing it was called "U-matic" which may have been a contraction of "U-load-automatic" due to the fact that it uses the same U-load as beta and the tape was loaded automatically; in contrast to the open-reel VTR's that proceeded it having to be loaded manually

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:05 am U.K.

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Andy:

Say, I guess you missed my earlier post, just curious about the status of my machines. Did you recieve the package, and have you gotten to the SLO-340 or the 900 if it is actually there...Thanks!Sean.

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:10 am U.K.

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Oops, nevermind, just got your message! Thanks, Andy, and good luck on all endevours!

Sean.

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:39 am U.K.

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Sean all of the one piece Betamovies whether from Sony, Sanyo, Toshiba or N.E.C. were OEMed by Sony. The minimum Betamovie you really want is a BMC-220. In the year between it and the 110 Sony vastly improved the trinicon tube - less flare and lag. And the autofocus system is pretty good for it's era - even if you don't like AF it's nice to have the capability.

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:44 am U.K.

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Olive, I've never seen NEC or 'shiba Betamovies but I would like to know what models they made... Anywho, I am quite pleased with the quality of the CCD in the GCS-1. I like the cases the Sanyos ahd anyway. I am set for porta-beta, with the GCS-1 and two SLO-340's coming...

Sean.

BeefJerky
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:50 am U.K.

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Sears parts say they have heads for the SL-HF1000 in stock.http://www3.sears.comenter the model, and go from there. They call it "LOC-407:VIDEO DISK" and they list the Sony part number A6762293A for it. It's $166.55 from them. Wonder how many they have left.

Andy Sanchez
Sunday 28th July 2002
3:53 am U.K.

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Holy moly! Sears of all places has parts for sony beta? I'll look into that first thingMonday. I would have never thought that. Thanks for the great tip . -Andy-

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:04 am U.K.

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You could make a cool turnaround snapping up a couple and fixing the 1000 with shot heads up now... I have heard that you can use any suitbale video head if you have the right drum... I don't know...

Sean.

Andy Sanchez
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:04 am U.K.

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After immediately posting the last message, I went to that link you provided us with. It indeed provides vidoehead-disc assemblies for Sony Betas. The pricing scale is absolutely consistent with Sony videohead-disc pricing. Either this means, Sears sublets the parts direct from Sony, or hopefully Sears did lot purchasing of said parts and they stock the parts themselves. That would be great if that is the case. One thing about Sony is they have always been very vague about parts stock . Everytime I order a videoehead-disc for a SL-HF750/900/1000/etc , I always inquire to how many they have left in stock. The general number they would give me was always "10". This went on for years and years by the way. Finally, I got a lower number of quanitity of videohead-disc when I ordered for that SL-HF1000 unit. It gets me wondering, if I contact Sony also on Monday, will they all of a sudden have quanitity 10 of videohead-disc assembly for the SL-HF1000? I bet they will.. If so thats great , it would be nice that I was just jumping to conclusions earlier saying that there are no longer a videohead-disc assembly for the HF-1000. Andy

Andy Sanchez
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:07 am U.K.

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Sean, I could very easily order a videohead-disc assembly for a SL-HF900 and install it in theSL-HF1000. The head geometry is exactly the same between the two models. However, the flying erase heads on the 1000 would no longer be there, and if you are into serious editing with the SL-HF1000 you may be disappointed. Someone else also inquired about the SL-HF2100 videoheads possibly working on the SL-HF1000. Nope. The 2100 has a totally redesigned videohead with different head geometry than the SL-HF1000. I know this, as I tried a SL-HF1000 head in a SL-HF2100 I owned a while back, the 2100 would not record correctly with the SL-HF1000 videohead, and video performance was severely crippled. -Andy-

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:08 am U.K.

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The softer side of Sears...

here's a nice piccy for those who like Beta innards...

http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_8fd34ea812ffb16c8941fa443ce2fecb/i-6_B_L.JPG

the last of six pics for an SL-HF 860D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369587992

Escargot BIN price though...

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:15 am U.K.

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Don't we all love the guys who take the pictures outside... I recognize this style of photography, I think I have seen this guy selling "D" series beofore, once I think he had an 860 with wodd sides grafted on to make it look like an 870, but he made this clear. I personally Think an 870D would look very nice under an EDV-7500, and EDV -9300. .. Very nice!The digital machines are nice but I do not know if they are worth that much... You could find a 900, or 750 for that much...

Sean.

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:23 am U.K.

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sleeeech! sleeeech! sleeeeech! here they come!

__@_¼¼____@_¼¼_@_¼¼___@_¼¼_@_¼¼__________[ ==¼¼¼¼O]_

slee-slee-slee-sleech

__________@_¼¼__"wait for me!"

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:24 am U.K.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369556503What's up? this guy is dreaming that he will get that, and that modle number is not anything I recognize... Or does "P" signify PAL (In which case, Franny, $100 about DM 55.56 if my calculations are corret...) anyhow, he doesn't seem to think it's worth the time write a detailed description or take a lot of pictures if he's asking $100...

Sean.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:54 am U.K.

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Sean:

$100 US would be around DM210 or so..

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:59 am U.K.

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Thanks, Brenda, I converted it wrong...Sorry If I got your hopes up Franny!

Sean...

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
5:08 am U.K.

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Well given that there is no Deutsche Mark anymore. It's all Euros now and they're finally stronger that US dollars now...

Which makes two currencies (Ost-marks the other one) I've buried in one lifetime...

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
5:13 am U.K.

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Wow, Franny, that's no fun... Well, it could be worse... I don't ahve to tell YOU about the bussiness with the Deutsche Mark going down after WWI to the point where it was worth more as fuel to burn than to buy things with... Yikes... What's an Ost-mark, and when did IT die???

Sean.

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
5:48 am U.K.

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Actually in the 1920s it was called the Reichsmark and the inflation was more or less a deliberate effort on the part of the government to wipe out the value of war bonds and to force a refinancing of reparations payments. The Deutsche Mark was introduced in 1948 an this led to the creation of East Germany and it's less valuable 'Ost-Mark' (visiting West Berliners would just toss unspent Ostmarks in the trash upon returning home) which of course died with German re-unification. At least we got 1 DM for each Ost-Mark which bought me a nice BMC-500 (the one that died recently) for my own.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Sunday 28th July 2002
6:09 am U.K.

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WOW Franny.. so you were a citizen of the DDR before the wall fell. I hadn't even thought of that possibility. Things must be so different for you now (I know, it's been a very long time, but still).

Olive Thomas
Sunday 28th July 2002
6:19 am U.K.

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Here's one for the gastropods...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1368237642

SL-5200 HiFi Beta. Ends in 11 hours. $40 start but there's a reserve...

This one's a resale from a previous auction. The guy buys a Beta and could never find the time to use it. Dammit make the time!

By the way, this is for anyone who has the Beta HiFi Demo tape. Ever notice how the stylised HiFi Beta pictured in the tape looks more like an SL-5000 with HiFi than the SL-C6 Mk II that Sony actually grafted the HiFi features to?

Pepse
Sunday 28th July 2002
6:23 am U.K.

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As far as U-Matics go, they first came out around 1973; yes, that long ago. Last year I was at an auction and got one for $1.00, including 18 tapes and an old Sony SL?? toploader and IIRC X2 speed. But the old U-Mat's had a power cord that you could remove, like your computer power cord. And of course it didn't come with one. And computer power cords won't fit in the hole as the hole is round and I would have to modify a computer cord. That is the only reason I haven't checked it out to this day. And this one was sold by 3M; in their Wollensak line (schools, institutions, etc.). But they were OEM'ed by Sony. The one I have is one of the first models. If you go to the main PAL site Beta Homepage there is a link to U-Matics, and yes they have a chat page also. IIRC most of they people are NOT from the US.

In reference to Sony and their screwy ways. About 4 or 5 years ago I called them about a manual for my HF900 (no longer in my possesion) and that was no problem. But I asked about new blank tapes and they said "Order now as we don't have hardly any left and won't be getting anymore". I didn't, but about a month later I called again for a part for the 900 and again asked about blank tapes and was told they had 100's, and I could get any standard tape length and any grade (standard or hi grade). Then some months later I called them again, can't remember why, and asked about blank tapes. And I was put thru to 2 other departments and there was anywhere from a handful to 100's. So, IMO, it depends on who you talk to at Sony and probably what mood that person is in.

As for NEC and Toshiba BetaMovies?? Every now and then they pop up on Ebay. NEC went up as far as the equivilent of the BMC 550, something like EN 55 U. Toshiba went that far too, IIRC, but can't quite remember their numbering system. But I noticed all Beta companies used a numbering system similar to Sony...eg Sony BMC 550, Sanyo VRC 500, NEC EN 55 U, Toshiba ?? 5??. All these examples would have been the SuperBeta capable by moving the switch by the memory battery.

And, is an 860D worth $375?? Well I had one about 3 years ago and I paid $350 without the remote and manual, and I thought it was well worth it. True I traded it for an HF 750 but that's beside the point.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Later Dudes and Dudette's. Pepse.

Collector
Sunday 28th July 2002
6:50 am U.K.

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Sean Meskill, can you show me the light?

I collect both umatics (Low band series one through to seven) and I have never heard of or seen either a umatic with a built in tuner, or a long play umatic? I have mainly PAL, about 25 at last count, about half a dozen multisystem umats and 4 NTSC umats.

The earliest machine I have owned is a V0-1200 dated 12-1971.

Almost all umatics had a "TV" plug wich is usually a green rectangular plug with 8-10 pins with audio video in and out unfortunately only mono. Early televisions recievers had the same plug and it works just like a scart connection so the VCR used the receivers tuner.

If you have any pic's / links of umats with tuners or long play I would love them for my collection!

My tripple 5850 edit suite looks great below my 950 's ;)

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
8:06 am U.K.

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Well this is a neat Betamax...

http://www.betamax.to/poster/SL-J25_01.jpg

The remote has a built in microphone to let you make commentary on the action through the TV set. (at least that's what the cartoon person appears to be doing as I can't find an Audio Dub button) It also has easy dial programming.

Franny Wentzel
Sunday 28th July 2002
8:28 am U.K.

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Check out this Japan Beta oddity!

http://www.betamax.to/catalog/197908B/7908B_13_KV-27V1.jpg

_KV-27V1 TV-VCR combo with a SECOND MINI TV built in!

Prolly in case you wanted to watch one programme whilst taping another and wanted to keep an eye on the taped programme.

Brenda Ann Dyer
Sunday 28th July 2002
12:29 pm U.K.

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Sean...

I will need to know if you are still wanting to save for my 1000, if not, I will have to repost it.

Don't worry, everyone.... I will not list this stuff on ebay.. no gastropods welcome.

steve hernandez
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:42 pm U.K.

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good morning!!

i9'm looking to transfer some olkd beta videos to cd and find that my trusty beta machine is not working.. where can i buy a beta playback machine..

thanks,

steve

steve hernandez
Sunday 28th July 2002
1:45 pm U.K.

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good morning!!

i'm looking to transfer some old beta videos to cd and find that my trusty beta machine is not working.. where can i buy a beta playback machine..

thanks,

steve

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:31 pm U.K.

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Franny: Ooops, you're right. Germany was screwed badly after WWI. I actually think the poor treatment had something to do with WWII...Pepse: THe power cords, that look like IEC but with round pins... there are three ways wround this: 1: force an IEC cord on. It should work. 2: get a man-killer cheater cord. This is a cheater cord with alligator cips on the end for use on any old, wacky power cord connection. NOT recommended. 3: get an orriginal cord. I have a friend who has scores and I will see if I can wring one out of him.Collector: the two-speed U-matic was an oddity, I think only one was made in the NTSC market and it failed terribly. All older ones had tuners, in the NTSC market, I'd bet Pepse's 3M job has them. Look here: http: http://www.labuysworld.com/Go to "labGuy's Chronicles" and select either catalog or Museam from the list, and go from catalog to Sony, or from museam to 3/4inch Umatic. He has one with tuners. The green plug was on everything and is still over here in the US a something like a SCART, the closest thing to one we've had but people over here preffer making all the connections themselves, even though this plug was on early consumer elctronics, it has hung around only on pro models...Brenda: Go ahead and Re-post. It would take me too long to get $900. If I get it and yyou still have it, good. If not, there are other 1000's...

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:32 pm U.K.

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Oops! THat link above should be http://www.labguysworld.com/

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
4:35 pm U.K.

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Steve:What country are you in? do you know the TV standard? What kind of machine where they recorded on? That makes a difference as not all betas can record/play back all speeds and modes. i.e. if they were HiFi you will need a HiFi, if they were superbeta you WILL need a superbeta. Better to get a betamax and enjoy it than to just copy them...

Sean.

Christian Svensson
Sunday 28th July 2002
7:21 pm U.K.

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Hello! This is a video-collector (I mean films not the machines) writing from Sweden! I´ve got a Sony SL-HF100EC Pal/Secam player which I would like some information about! Productionyear, technical stuff and the worth of it. The motor in it is still working though the drum is out of function. I will be very grateful for answers!

Casimir
Sunday 28th July 2002
9:55 pm U.K.

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More NP's on the internet:

http://www.rnjelect.com/6bateries/sony.htm

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
11:01 pm U.K.

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The betamax.to links give a generic message in Japanese... I translated it to this, which is now both informative and humorous..."The server it moved. Still until the one where this page is indicated, the DNS changes already please wait for a while.""All your betamax are belong to us" and all that..."For Great Betemax!"

Brenda Ann Dyer
Sunday 28th July 2002
11:09 pm U.K.

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For Sale to good home:

Sony SL-HF1000 B1-S VCR, original owner, just serviced by Andy Sanchez with new transport mechanism, upper and lower head drum assemblies and alignment. Heads as new, due to long period in storage.

The SL-HF1000 is a US System M NTSC 3.58 machine with American/Korean channelization. It operates on 120VAC 60 Hz.

I have a photocopy of the original manual, and microfiche of the service manual for this machine that will go with it, too.

I have the original RMT-148 remote unit, however, due to damage from leaky batteries, several buttons no longer work (the editing, speed, record, etc. buttons, and the jog/shuttle dials do work, it's mainly peripheral stuff that doesn't). I will include a replacement remote that I have recently ordered with the machine. It is not a 148, but is supposed to be able to duplicate it's functions.

Along with this VCR (I will only sell this as a lot, as I will have no use for one without the other) I also have a LARGE number of both new, factory wrapped L-750 tapes (Sony and Maxell) and pre-recorded tapes (including factory releases and home recorded). There are 86 of the new blank tapes, all L-750's

The factory releases are as follows: City Heat; Hook; Death Wish 3; Meatballs Pt.2; Little Lulu (classic cartoon); The Untouchables; The Delta Force; Beany & Cecil Vol. 1 (classic cartoon); Beany & Cecil Vol.6; Bachelor Party; Total Recall; The Land Before Time; The Sounds of Motown; Reggae Sunsplash; Duran Duran; Neil Sedaka in Concert; Ready, Steady, Go Vol.2; Seals and Crofts Live; John Davidson Live; Jimi (Hendrix) Plays Berkeley; The Ultimate Ozzy (Osborn); Black Wax; Dionne Warwick in Concert; Sammy Davis Jr. in Acapulco; Elton John Live in Central Park; Grace Jones; 16 Candles; The River; The Natural; Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom; We Are the World, the Video Event; Bob Marley and the Wailers; Lena Horne, The Lady and Her Music; Sun City (Artists United Against Apartheid); Bring on the Night; Death Wish 4; Beany & Cecil Vol.10; The Onion Field; Spring Fever; The Seven-Ups; Pump Up the Volume; Missing in Action; Spring Break; Cinderella (Faerie Tale Theater); Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade; Honey, I Shrunk the Kids; The Prisoner- Episode 1, Arrival; The Adventures of Droopy (classic cartoon); The Tender Warrior; Star Trek V; Spaceballs; The Entity; National Geographic- Yukon Passage; Felix the Cat (classic cartoon); Kindergarten Cop; Lord of the Flies (1990); Star Trek VI; Ghostbusters II; The Jetsons- The Movie This is 62 factory tapes, mostly movies (two copies of Beany & Cecil Vol. 6 are included).

The home recorded tapes contain many movies, classic TV series, etc. far too many to list here. These are all NTSC 3.58 System M (N.America, Korea, Japan, etc.) tapes.

As you can see, the tapes alone (blanks and factory, never mind my home records, which should be considered blanks) are worth at least $US370 (figuring a modest $2.50 per tape).

I am asking $900 for the lot, plus shipping. (For a limited time, I will sell the works for $ 950 shipped anywhere in the US.) I will ship anywhere, but be advised that shipping costs can be quite substantial, as I have ONLY the United States Postal Service to ship through. Tapes will be shipped via Media Mail to save shipping costs.

Please e-mail me if interested. Please, I am not interested in selling the machine separately, as I have no use for all these tapes without it.

Take care, and stay well.

Brenda Ann

**Gastropods need not apply**

Sean Meskill
Sunday 28th July 2002
11:56 pm U.K.

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For beta AND umatic!http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1369505068Sean.

Olive Thomas
Monday 29th July 2002
2:48 am U.K.

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What happened to BetamaxTO? I tried loading those pages and all I got was jack and squat...

Sean Meskill
Monday 29th July 2002
2:59 am U.K.

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Olive:I posted this a while back... It kinda got lost amongst all the other stuff:The betamax.to links give a generic message in Japanese... I translated it to this, which is now both informative and humorous... "The server it moved. Still until the one where this page is indicated, the DNS changes already please wait for a while." "All your betamax are belong to us" and all that... "For Great Betamax!"

Sean

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