Thanks, and I didn't intend to start WW3 over the issue! I think I've got the picture re E-bay and the gastropod problem.

We have a site over here called "Loot". It isn't an auction, simply a huge sales board with a vast range of categories. It is the proverbial pain in the fundament to use, and you can die of old age waiting for the next page to come up.

Particularly since BSkyB pulled the plug on analogue on their main fixed-dish 28.3degE satellites, there has been quite a good selection of analogue satellite gear in Loot, and I guess that's where I should be looking for satellite stuff. Conversely, there have been hardly any R-to-R decks on Loot except for the occasional vintage Ferrograph or Reflectograph, and I want one for day to day use rather than a collectible antique. Presumably E-bay would be a better bet in that case? I kick myself every day for not buying a Revox which appeared several years ago in a local dealer for 225 pounds.

if anyone has a betamax machine/pal format, i need a beta tape checked out. i bought a boxload of old beta tapes on ebay, and when played on an ntsc unit, the sound is screwy, and the video will not show. suspect it may be beta, but have no way to test theory myself. the reason i am bothering with this tape, is that it contains at least one episode of an old tv series called "scarecrow and mrs. king"! if anyone can help, i can make it worth your while. YIM:catslairarchives icq(via friend):289105045

Someone wants 4500 bucks for a bunch of U-matic itemCams, V-Tapes, etcDetails come sharply.

Any candidate?

Fiorello: shut it

*sigh... I want a PCM -F1. Wonder what will show up in my Easter basket.

2PCS Sony VTR VO 9850 ,1pc Sony Viewfinder DXV-40ce ,1pc Sony Editing SEG-2000P , 2 PCS Sony DXC 1800P Camera ,1PC Sony DXC-M34 Camera ,1pc Normande spectra C-220 ,1pc Sony Multi Video Titler XV-T550 ,Cables,etc

pppsssssssttttttttt

U must take it all, negotiable price...

_@_v - snap up a little 'snail snack' §eta hifi demo tape...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019713587

I like the line right in full view on the tape:

"For demonstration or promotional purposes only. Not for sale or rent."

Hello Everybody,

I have a Beta machine, an SL-2710, which has been in storage for 2 years. I now live in France France and recently reactivated the machine using a step-down transformer. It appeared to function well( I have several hundred beta tapes ) however, after a few hours use it has stopped accepting tapes -- ejecting them a few seconds after insertion. I would appreciate any suggestions as to what the problem might be, maybe someone else in the Beta world has encountered a similar situation......John

John Lorden

here we are ,the same old bug..........First you must check the switches inside the deck.Then continue with the tape path, make sure the tape have the 'clearance protocol' .Path way of the tape must be cleaned.Clean the proximity switch of the "tape presence" (platinum contact on the surface of the platter switch).Usually it solved the problemo.

A Mac Gyver talent is needed.

Ovuire

"""""""jesus , dont put in sticky tapes"""""""""

Hey Boby, since the Cadbury bunny left a turd in my easter basket, :) how about a nice donation or few to the Wards Home? Come on... Get a budding videographer started. :) How much would you sell a VO-9850 for? I want a u-mie recorder (I have a VP-5000) so I can make master-quality recordings.

yeeaaaa

I wish they would sell the VO to me but, they closing the company. No retail at all.

Damm.........

http://www.calindex.com/ebay.de-tv-video-elektronik-videorekorder-betacam.html________________________________________________________________________________Just for the Reference

Looks like somebody 'salted' The Snail.

http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewBidItems&userid=snaling&completed=1&sort=3&all=1&rows=0

Says he's no longer a registered user....

Well well well, Franny, it seems also that his other ID, Someko, has suffered the same fate.

_@_¼¼ - yeep, i just looked and someko is a goner too... let that be a lesson to you unscrupulous dealersnails....

_@_¼¼ - i hope we can keep the betasnails going though...

You know what's funny about yourSnale guy? It won't make a difference he is gone, you bunch of cheapskates. The Ebay Beta market prices will not go down due to a single seller going down. What will make the market prices go down is when DVD-R proliferates, and the former Betamax crowd converts to it. And you all probably will still be clinging onto your obsolete Beta technology, and still continue to cry about how expensive Beta is. I myself, don't look forward to Digital MPEG2 Hell video, but thats what we get.. Crappy pixelation MPEG distorter devices. Enjoy... The Beta sounds better again. Leonard.

Um... we're celebtrating his downfall not because he charged high prices, that's a secondary issue to the fact that HE ENGAGED IN ILLEGAL PRACTICES!!!

_@_¼¼ - cheapskate? i can't think of anyone on this planet that would rather pay MORE for a product when it can be had for less if not for the interference of a few unscrupulous dealers who snag products out from under legitimate buyers (through 'sniper' bidding) and then 'flip' them for double or triple what they paid in 'auctions' with such high starts, reserves and BIN prices as to be in actuality fixed-price sales.

They are a textbook example of the old 'Trusts' and 'Syndicates' we used to read about as p[art of the bad old days of turn-of-the century Plutocrat Capitalism.

I totally disagree. If you are wanting to purchase a Beta in unknown operating condition, then yes- cheaper is better. But if you are purchasing a Beta VCR from someone who offers a guarantee , it would seem to be worthwhile to pay more. Even so, people are willing to pay good money for Beta equipment even without a guarantee, and it shows on Ebay. No "dealer" of Betamax equipment alone is going to determine that, just look at individual sellers who are just selling off a spare Beta VCR, and you will see quickly that dealers DO NOT set the price. Those that bid on the items DO. It's quite easy, and if you want to blindly claim that a single unscrupulous seller made prices go up, you are mistaken. Good luck with your future cheapskate searches. Leonard.

To add to that, I don't think we're really "Cheapskates" when we pay several hundreds of Dollars/Euros/Pounds for an old product that you can have an equivilent of in modern form for about 50 USD... but when prices are driven up we at least have as equal a chance to complain as they have to engage in business... or capitalism won't work if people don't speak out against what they don't like and what they won't pay... It's about what WE want to do with OUR money. They're allowed to ask that much, but in turn we're allowed to complain.

The art of Beta lasts forever, the beauty of the flourecent display, the macho AD converter, the capitol of AGC block, the wisdom of Rotary Head, the low profile shape of connectors, beats out those Digitals DVD cheap munk chips.

Brand new chinese clone DVD player only costs 50 bux, Beta is worth a living............

This is an interesting item on offer from one of the good dealersnails...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=187&item=3019821995

Anyone ever heard of the 'Vectrex' video arcade system?

And with some "snails" like VCRGary you get complaint-free over-the-phone detailed tech support, guarantees, free replacements, etc.

Yeah I've heard of the Vectrex it's pretty cool... It could display 3D with a special imager device and it worker very well. Oh yeah the company that owns it forfeited the copyright to all the software so copying it is legal provided you make no money off of the actual software... they've basically given free reign. Nice of them, eh? People write new software for it and complile the older games into multicarts... It had analog control years before N64 and Playstation DualShock!

Alright.. who among us are old Tomorrow People fans??? I have the first three season's shows...

I actually took a look at the last 600 or so completed NTSC Betamax-related sales and maybe 150 or so of them went over the $100 mark with the high prices going to Betacam and ED Beta items (my search boolean snags a few Betacam items). An SL-HF 750 went untaken at $200US (was one of 'The Snail's' betas too). An SL-7200 went for $150US while an SL-HFR 70 went for $50US or so.

This is the search boolean I used.

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&SortProperty=MetaHighestPriceSort&query=%28beta%2Cbetamax%2Cbetamovie%2Cbetacord%2Cbetavision%29&ebaytag1=ebayreg&ht=1&maxRecordsPerPage=100&category0=293&combine=y&st=0

If there's any lesson to be learned it's that price watching is a good idea before getting sucked into paying snail prices. Good equipment can still be had at reasonable rates but if price isn't an object you still can do better keeping away from the gastropods.

Hopefully anyone outside of our little clan reading this will gain at least some knowledge of what they should be paying...

Coming soon to your monitor: "Snail II - A New Beginning". A mutated ID (or 2) leads to the same shipping address and the discovery that salty bullets are not enough: Gastropods never die. Wa-ha-ha.

Undifined world make us see who we are and what we are.

http://www1.accsnet.ne.jp/%7Ekenroku/

http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/tatsuoda/3rd/oda_3rd6.htm

http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/tatsuoda/3rd/oda_3rd1.htm

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~vk8m-mymt/beta/kankyo/kankyo.htm

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~vk8m-mymt/beta/siryo/hf3000.htm

http://esearch.rakuten.co.jp/rms/sd/esearch/mh?url=%2Fkomehyo%2F439821%2F452904%2F482334%2F%23434891&shop=%A5%B3%A5%E1%CA%BC

http://esearch.rakuten.co.jp/rms/sd/esearch/mh?url=%2Fkomehyo%2F439821%2F452904%2F482334%2F%23434891&shop=%A5%B3%A5%E1%CA%BC

http://www.palsite.com/vhs.cgi

eyy Franny: have a look at this

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?q=Franny+Wentzel&kgs=0&kls=1&avkw=xytx

Well if the Information Minister for the Republic of Iraq, Mohommed Saeed al Sahaf says so...

http://www.palsite.com/betabest.cgi (scroll to the last entry)

Sleech! Oh, Sleech! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2923548911 And that means I now have a second one of those edit controllers... which is the reason for this post... NOT shameless bragging... no not at all... Make me a reasonable offer. It needs Control L to work but can handle ANY other deck once it has one with control L.

Interesting audio tape deck...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=3019806092

Pioneer CT -3000 with SL-HF 750-style sliding loader tray

Anyone who wants to buy my edit controller will get a copy of the owner's manual if they make a good offer... Or if you want one bad once mine is sold, believe it or not you can actually buy one from sony! Check out the DAPC... http://servicesales.sel.sony.com/ enter "RM-E100VA" in part number to buy the actual item For about USD .200, and "RM-E100V" in model number to get the cables and manual for a much more reasonable price... and to whoever wanted that manual a while ago, I think that's an easier way to get it than to take my ruined photocopy or bug someone else for one...

OUCHIES!

It looks as if we may be moving soon, either to a much smaller place in or near Seoul, or back to the states (depending upon how Pat's boss decides to handle things).

What this means is... I'm going to have to get rid of damn near everything I have, as if we stay in Korea, with a smaller place, I will have no room for anything.. and if we move back to the states, I have to pare down what I have in order to be able to afford to ship what we do keep.

If this happens, I will be selling off everything I have, which includes all my ßeta gear, and over 100 brand new blank tapes. I've already posted some of my shortwave and related stuff on my website..

Stay tuned for more news and information... and don't worry, even if I DO have to get rid of everything for the time being, I WILL get more someday.. :)

Is this a Beta......????Who knows.......????

http://www45.tok2.com/home/etoile/image/NV-D2000_1.jpg

brennnnnnnda!! I used to loveeee the Tomorrow People shows! Thats the one where the kids teleport themselves, right? Me wants copies!!!!!!!!

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/iim_deathstar.jpg

_@_¼¼ - no that's not a beta or there'd be a trail of snailslick all over it...

Jesse...

e-mail me.

Boby: that's a Penisonic deck. They use the "NV" model number... it's actually a nice deck but it's NOT a beta...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39830&item=3018791386

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39830&item=3018828798

I suppose these are the results of the nefarious activities of "snaling" too.

If he's responsible for the "high" prices of beta format vcr's on ebay, mind you, so is this boards favorite ass-kiss recipient, Andy "I'll Take A Stab At It" Sanchez, vcr"Cool With Sean"[email protected] (probably the biggest gouger on the board), redding1 (so long as you don't find some flimsy proof he's actually making any money on ebay) and even whatever one of you some months back offered a moldy HF1000 for about a grand along with utility grade used tapes for $2.50 a pop.

Your memory is as bad as your attitude.

It was me that offered my SL-HF1000 several months back, then decided to keep it for a while. The tapes (I still have nearly all of them) are not used, nor utility grade. They are new, still in the wrappers. Most are Maxell, some are Sony (some of those UHG)and some Fuji. And I offered the lot for $900. With over 100 tapes averaging between $3 and $5 each, I thought, and still think, that it was a hell of a bargain compared especially to ebay prices. I have seen several SL-HF1000's go for that much by themselves recently, even one or two without a remote.

Wow, this chat-board just sinks further and further. I am amazed it has not been taken offline again. Can't people get off their petty trips? I am guilty of this , as I had called you all cheapskates, and I am done with poking around about it. I was just trying to make a point, which I am sure got nowhere, with the way things are around here. I thought that this was a hobby, Betamax. Not a bunch of B.S. about prices or repair people or Ebay sellers, etc. Get over it, is it that hard to do? Leonard.

I agree and then I do not agree. We engage in some discussion of certain sellers and so on... and while it may seem spiteful look at what Snaling did... Illegal bidding; don't you think that was worth a warning? As to talking about prices, if we talk about a thing, surely we're allowed to talk about what we think they're worth and what we're willing to pay, if only to prevent some newcommer from paying too much. In all honesty, though, when someone shows up here simply to be at odds with whatever is going on, I simply cannot respect him or his oppinions.

Lenny or are you Ferilo? Trying to shut this site down again?

I think those are two classic examples of "I'll be damned if I loose this auction" syndrome where two people get way out of hand bidding against each other. For $600 you could certainly do better than an SL-HFR30....

That's the truth franny... Yeah those prices are WAY out of proportion... for that price you could have at least a couple working VCRs from VCRGary or even from the Snail himself if he were still around... (and I mean good sets like SL-HF-600s and GCS-50s)

damn,ever have someone plop themselves down at your table just to tell you how great the school cafeteria food is,sean? money says these malcontents have a horse in this race or are simply unsuccessful used car salesmen. checked the archives to find that 7 of 8 of leonards posts contained attacks on us generally or individually. i suspect that fiorello=chucky.

C'mon folks.. let's stop the personal attacks.. that sort of thing IS what got the room shut down before.. and there is no need for it. Showing Snaling/Someko for the crook he is is one thing, and is a service to all ßetaphiles, but conjecture and character assassination do nothing but breed further contempt and hatred.. which are two things the world is in no short supply of, and needs no more from us.

Take care, all, and stay well.

you seem to be right, brenda. someone is apparently trying to "bait" us. nice to hear from the voice of reason.

I agree with Brenda and Joel... and I'll even admit I maybe did get sucked in by the "baiting" a little bit...

eeee! yeah-h-h-hh! peace out man - _@_¼¼-¦_ <-snailie's bong

anyone gonna touch that "baiting" line?

Wouldn't touch that one with a barge pole...

The point is that you were asking top dollar for a unit that was not in top condition. The remote - a good 20% or more of the value of the 750's and 1000's, was corroded, beyond repair, iirc. Even assuming the tapes were worth $300, which they would not be to anyone buying a superBeta unit (and, not even new BCT20's go for $2.50/ea in that quantity), $600 for a 1000 with essentially no remote is as much or more than any similar unit I have seen recently on eBay, even in cherry condition with a remote.

But somehow, it's a problem if anyone else asks for that kind of money, except amongst you, the self anointed "few."

And no one has shown "snaling" or "someko" to have engaged in anything illegal, so you can shove your outrage over personal attacks in that ever growing (I hope it's latex) pouch of hypocrisy that many around here seem never to be without.

And it was that sissy-ass snail crap that got this board shut down in the first place. They even told you not to do it again as condition of reopening the board, and you went at again from word one. If you don't want your idyllic little coffee klatch further upset, you all should take a stab at the Golden Rule.

Actually, Snaling/Someko was shown to be shill bidding his own auctions. This was proven to the satisfaction of ebay, and his accounts were closed. This is not conjecture, it is fact. My last words on the subject.

more "bait"....anyone hungry?

The argument that is being proposed is nonsensical... I decline to comment on it.

Hi we are having a clearout and have a PCM -F1 Pal/Secam unit for sale any offers .

I saw this on another chat page.. Its seems we have another somko --He might give a guarentee Olive but????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...099&item=3018293788

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...099&item=3019000560

I also found these e-Bay auctions quite amusing, the top one went off at $112.00 and was shipped from Cananda to the U.S in 3 days as the feedback attests. The very next day, the Beta was re-listed with the same pictures. Guess the guy didn't get his price the first time so he shill bid out of the auction. Did much better the second time and he even got a nice, phony feedback out of the deal. This sort of thing makes me wonder why I joined e-Bay. Are these sort of phony auctions the rule or the exception

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15099&item=3018293788

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15099&item=3019000560

I am looking for anyone wishing to sale a Sony Betamax 4000 or anyone who knows how to repair a Sony Betamax 4000.

Hello...My name is Al. I have recentley acquired over 60 beta Tapes from my fathers estate.Brand of tapes consist of BASF chrome L-750, TDK HS L-750 and Sony ES L-750. There are some odds and ends...Radio Shack supertape, TDK pro, etc.....very limited supply. No lables on box or tape. Recorded on Once!

Selling price is 50 cents a piece.

Robert ShearerWhat seems to be the problemo......?

i'd be better make my formal Beta page my own...........Any donation.........?

I'll make overwhelming Site

I've never heard of a Sony Betamax with the model# of 4000. Do you mean a Sanyo VCR-4000?

Why does everyone complain about school cafeteria food? I like it! Certain things don't come out good... But overall it's good. I like hospital food too, lol!! Heheh.. Now, I want to know what the head life expectancy usually is on a Betamie. I was just asking because I had a near death experience with mine.

These lies you continually perpetrate against Snaling, are complete fabrications! It is the Zionist propaganda which has made you crazy. Snaling, Allah be praised, never has engaged in unfair selling practices! Never! I triple guarantee you! He has never engaged in shill bidding, if he had, which he has not, he would be an infidel and his stomach will roast in Hell. The fabrications of Al-Jazeera against this benevolent and fair seller are LIES! Nothing but LIES perpetrated by the American press. Do not believe them! The Zionists at eBay are merely persecuting those who are right and fair, and we will hit them with old shoes.

Does that mean you pointed it at the sun and it "Saw the light" but the tube wasn't permanently burned??????

No, nothig that yucky. I was cleaning the heads and a bit of cotton got caught. Betamie's fine BTW

ACK! No NO No! NOt to clean the ehads with cotton swabs! Use the special kind for cleaning VCRs! Radio Shack sells some foam ones or con the local TV store guy out of some! If you can't get either you can even use (very) clean white paper!

Cotton swabs will burn in hell. Allah has condemned them. Using them is stupid. All cotton swabs are stupid (dramatic pause) and they are condemned.

The sun isn't damaging my Betamie's pickup tube rather it is my Trinicon tube that is hitting the sun with shoes and making it flee like the coward infidel it is...

I triple guarantee you... the sun will disapear from the sky in ONE HOUR!

ooo yeaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.betamax.net/gallery/title/title_top.htm

I guarantee you that there is no VHS! There never was any JVC, and if there was, they would have made ßeta! What is this? This tape does not fit in my machine. INFIDEL!

Saddam's new music video! "Will the Real Saddam Please Stand Up?"

http://rh.adultbouncer.com/only-for-albino/realhussein(www.albinoblacksheep.com).swf

This is the direct link to the Shockwave file.

I am after a SONY SL-800ME, can anyone help? Please e-mail me and let me know, thanks.

Sony Betamax SL8000 -UB. Where is the best place to gauge the interest in these machines? Contemplating selling ours, alternatively keeping hold of it for another 20 years for the grandchildren! Also, any ideas on the current value of this machine?

hey Nick .......

http://www.staddiscombe.freeserve.co.uk/beta.html

http://edge.ee.tokushima-u.ac.jp/urls/word/s/a/le-jp.html

Did any beta's get looted in Iraq? Or worse, destroyed? *shudder*

The Betamaxes are secure. There is no VHS attack. Truly I can say that there are no VHS anywhere. The Betamax - praise Akio Morita - will reign for a thousand years. Also they are commiting suicide - if there were VHS which there are not. Lies!

http://home.nycap.rr.com/frannylandde/kunstwerken/mss_betamax.jpg

lol, haha....

A question; In the shape of the SLHF100, Beta Hi-Fi stereo appeared in the UK at least 5 years before NICAM stereo broadcast TV. During that interregnum, the main source of stereo was the "simulcast", with stereo radio providing the sound in sync with broadcast TV. The 100 and its big brother the 950 had a source switch enabling off-air video reception along with stereo AV input from an FM radio receiver. The main programming was classical music, although I remember a preposterous concert with the Grateful Dead from Berlin! There was the obvious disadvantage of having to synchronise radio - usually our national Radio 3 channel - and TV for some time in the same evening, so simul broadcasts were not an everyday occurrence.

NICAM was never implemented on any Beta machine sold in the UK. Unfortunately NICAM VHS machines came on the market around 1989, driving another undeserved nail in the better format's coffin. NICAM conversion ideas have occasionally appeared on this site. Was there anything resembling the simul scenario in the US? Was the simul feature installed on any NTSC machines? I know you don't use NICAM, but what was the history of TV stereo in the US, and was it implemented on any domestic Beta machines?

*sigh..... Hee hee... What were you guys' graduation presents? Anyone get a beta?

Bill,

Well, we did have similar simulcast type occurances in the two years or so between the advent of ßeta Hi-Fi and the BTSC stereo system. These were not all that frequent, but were more easily handled than those on your side of the pond. Many such were concerts, and were carried by Public Television (PBS) and the simulcast was handled by the co-affiliated local PBS radio station. Other shows were done on commercial television, and simulcast audio handled by a contracted local commercial radio station.

As for Hi-Fi VCR's, yes, ours also have the simulcast position on the input switch. I've used it often myself. In some cases, I use it to have the program audio on the linear track, while having another audio source on the Hi-Fi track.

Here in Korea, where I live currently, they use NICAM stereo. This gets a bit confusing since a large number of televisions here are sold to Americans (G.I.'s, DOD civilians, embassy personnel), and use the BTSC stereo system. While those sold on the Korean economy (same brands, Samsung, Daewoo, etc. and same layouts) have NICAM stereo. So the U.S. market sets cannot receive the Korean stereo signals, and the cable systems and over-the-air television channels from the military bases beamed at Americans don't have ANY stereo audio. (the Koreans use the NTSC/System M/American channelization, identical other than stereo audio to N. America).

Sorry, forgot to change back my nick. :)

Le'see... Over here we have some programs that are STILL simulcast in stereo. We also have a system called MTS for Multichannel Television Sound which does the same thing as NICAM, for all intents and purposes. What we could get were these MTS adapters that let you do the same as the Simulcast switch... Most of the Decks (Even my SL-HF-900 that proudly touts "Stereocast" on the label) have a "Line audio" mode that takes the line audio feed and the tuned video feed. The MTS adapters (NOT to be confused with MPX adapters which stood for multiplex and was something else entirely... Brenda can explain it better, I would guess, and this post is long enough) would plug into the appropriate deck and decode the multichannel sound and pass it to the line level inputs. They could also drive speakers and some other stuff too... DasImperator has one.

the live aid concert was simulcast in philly .recorded it with my sanyo 7200.

Jesse....

Still waiting for that e-mail. The address is good.

in indonesichen we use Zweiton stereo, as the techno develop w're now use Nicam and zweiton. Most Beta dont have that stereo but if we want to record we can comply from the Vout signal from TV/receiver unit.

Hi All

I am very interested in purchasing a late model front loading Sony Betamax, to replace my much loved SL-F30 which has recently packed up. Another F30 would be preferable as I have my own to use for parts but any other Sony would be considered. I live in the West Midlands of England

Daniel

Try E-bay UK... http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?query=Betamax&maxRecordsPerPage=100&category1=8345&combine=y&sc=1&SortProperty=MetaNewSort&st=0

If you have a working knowledge of the Dutch language you can also try this dutch classifieds site...

http://www.marktplaats.nl/print.php3?g=video&u=betamaxrecorders

Or you can run E-bay DE through the Babelfish

http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?query=Betamax&maxRecordsPerPage=100&category1=8345&combine=y&sc=1&SortProperty=MetaNewSort&st=0

As luck would have it....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3321974993

SL-F30 on offer...

Hmmm.. that looks like a cousin of the American SL-20 and the like... Good solid machines. If the 8.50 GBP is the total for shipping, that's a nice deal (I'm not familliar withe the exact meaning of "P&P") but the price is getting on a bit... anyway but it does have the remote.

There IS a Beta to VHS adaptor! It is, in fact, true! Do not believe the lies of the infidels who say it is not possible! All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies. I will take you and show you a Beta to VHS adaptor IN ONE HOUR!!

lol... haha... funny! hehehe.. I want to see it! Anyways... Isn't simulcasting the stereo audio on FM a stupid idea!? Who would want to turn their radio and telly on just for that? How difficult. Brenda sorry I've not emailed you as I've been busy.

The photo for this beta auction is disturbing, somehow.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020095665&category=39830