[TORONTO BETAS]

_@_v - achoo! xx-@- xx-@-

_@_v - well if SARs hasn't killed 90% Toronto like in The Stand you could try going to your local public library and seeing if they keep telephone books from around the world. (ours has most big us cities and even a paris,france directory amongst others)

_@_v - you ought be able to find a toronto yellow pages...

Kinda stretching the limits of taste on that one Olive.. :|

How goes the quest for $$$?

I'll give you $10 for the edit controller Sean Meskill. Leonard.

_@_v - i'll know definitely thursday brenda...

ToHomer

Indo and Malay is just like British English and American English, what is your Native?

I was just doing kinda parts of speech.I tried latest Konqueror over Window platform trough Proxy,firewall and with Domain Controller wich is not as easy as Taping TV broadcast.I'm not expecting any with my previous statement.

How long have you been using Computer?Me myself since my Junior in 8086/8088 era and used Microsoft window version 1.0

If there's no Browser this chat page aint' exist, this is a chat page ....come on there no such stricht regulation.

We can gain knowledge from this BetaPage not only AF/AD-DA/AGC/RF/IF ..........

*sigh....... I keep my off topic posts short! Anyways... Ugh! I can't remember more than bits and pieces of Billie Jean. Ok, ok, do at one point they hide out in a miniature golf course? And, she is in the front seat of a (Trans Am?) and a cop stops them; and she does a miraculous disappearing act? Anyways... Why does a TV get reduced in sharpness if you don't use it for like a year? It's the caps, right? Or is it the picture tube itself?

I ask because my RCA console from 1992 was amazingly sharp and clear, and I haven't used it since like Dec 2001. Plugged it in and watched All My Children with my SL-HF300 and the picture looked like VHS. I think its convergence has drifted a teensy bit in the time that it's sat there. How long would it take for the caps to reform? And proof that some things only get better with age; my 9" colour Dec 1976 Trinitron tv has a BEAUTIFUL picture! Turned it on yesterday and was amazed! Also, what would it cost to have these TVs adjusted to broadcast spec? Or is it possible?

To

Jesse

i got my 9" TV also but it's not really TV it's Olivetti DSM2907,shape is similar to Broadcast Monitor, I just plug my EXT VGA TUNER and there's my new TV.

Speaking of sharpness, maybe Deagussing would make pixelate better. If there's no Degauss function 'External' degauss Clamp can do such phenomenon.

http://www.datadev.com/dc13.html

http://www.mcmb2b.com/cgi-bin/test/72-785.html

http://www.twobits.com/degauss.html

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/CRT_20Degaussing_20Program

http://www.7volts.com/magnets.htm

DONT OFTEN DO THIS ,IT'LL MAKE YOUR TV SETS GLOOMY!

'STRONG PERMANENT MAGNET CAN DAMAGE YOUR TV/MONITOR!

After that, here we are messing around with the machine. I'm not recomending it if you dont have experience/knowledge whatsoever. TV tube saves very large amount of electric potential, even you dont plug the power cord in Line .Discharge first.....there's a small trimpot around the tube end,one of them will adjust the color clarity/(gaps beetwen pixel)Be carefull A 10.000 volts live voltage around the tube if you plug the cord. Trimpot position may vary to TV brand.(((I'm sure this page will be full of text i'm sure everybody dont like it)))

http://www.bus.ucf.edu/cwhite/Theater/ServiceMode.htm

Really ,i dont want to do this!!!!!!!!

Does any have the casset load timing setup or manual for a slf30 front load sony ?

A nice treat for Betamax Videographer club members...

Somebody took that nasty message Madonna recorded and slipped into fake mp3s of songs off her latest album (and released it into P2P servers like Kazaa to foil would-be song sharers) and turned it into... well a techno recording in it's own right.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBetamaxVideographer/files/Digital_Cutup_Loungek.mp3

ROTFLMAO!!!!

I bet she's going to be screaming for a piece of the action on it, too.. :P

Euh.... Information about picture tube potentiometers followed by a link to a page on how to get into a Toshiba TV service menu ?!?!?!?

Anyways, as for why a TV would lose its sharpness after a year of storage... Did you try wiping the dust off the screen ?? ;-)

_@_v - ima-GE-nation at work..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022004363

GE reel 2 reel VTR that managed to show up in my e-bay search for betas...

_@_v - interesting to see a betasnail (betagoods) selling off one beta as he's setting up his next sleech

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021868566

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021871432

_@_v - they just happened to be right next to each other on my ebay search results page

That's in awesome shape huh? Must be using the original definition of awesome (striking fear and awe)... LOL

shock and awe?

To Homer

hey you havent answer my question at the presious post, seems you dont understands the subject or the 'picture' but you keep complainin' .

You can't understands the terminolgy yet still complainin' what are you?????? some kind of an Idiot or there is a bug in your brain...

Homer dont get angry with my question

BTW HomerMy first computer isnt really 8088, its a Z80 from Sir Ian.It's very lovely Architecture........

If there's something i said that inappropriate i apoligize to all you guys but not to Homer

OLIVE, seems to be a whole ring of them in Canada, Betagoodsnail seems to be in the circle, but I cant seem to connect the dots. They all seem to bid each other auction up or put a 0 with glasses to bid at the end if the auction doesn't meet the price they want. Then the next day the same auction is back on again .. Very strange.. The more I learn about buying betas on ebay the worse it gets.. 8-)....Tom

You are right. I don't get the picture. I have a hard time understanding your saying. For example, I just don't seem to find out what your first computer has to do in this story.

I think you should refrain from using the term "idiot" to describe someone who doesn't share your point of view.

That said, I feel the heat rising and I think it would be better to stop this unnecessary conversation before things get worse.

My theory (not to disparage any elses or anything) is that we can waste time lamenting how bad these people are or we can work around them and warn people about them... and not buy from them. What we want, we'll find at reasonable prices or take our business elsewhere... there are all kinds of people on Ebay, some are bad and some are not, like the time I bought an SL-2001, RM-E100V, AC-220, and cables for $26, or an SL-HF-900 for $80, or so on...

I see that while The Snail is off of eBay his Someko ID is still sleeching Betas...

http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewBidItems&userid=someko&completed=1&sort=3&all=1&rows=0

Be on the lookout for his classic pix under some sort of new ID...

Yes i agree, but another time do nagging and understands what you're nag of.Please do complain and knows what you're complaining and have the answer of it.To me it's very plain explanations to whom it may realize.I dont have hard feeling of you, otherwise i'm really please to have a conversations if you're at least try to understands wisely and have the eagerness to other people.Afterall we are civilized person.Let's just say that i have a slip of a tongue.And you may forgive

What was that all about........???????

Hello all. I am thinking of buying a decent (hopefull) NTSC Beta for use in England. Its getting very hard to find beta with all the bells and whistles etc here as they only made one - SLHF950. As my Sony NX1 TV can accept PAL and NTSC picture I was wondering If I could use the NTSC machine to back up my region1 DVDs and NTSC laserdiscs - would there be any other way of using the machine? - also any ideas on a decent one - I am checking ebay (those sellers willing to post to UK) and the SLHF900 looks a decent machine.

SL-HF-900 is a very nice machine, it's also the most common machine in the world so it's a good choice from a parts standpoint. You can use to take an NTSC signal... I suppose you can also use it with a standards converter of any sort to take PAL video if that works but I'm not sure... Also I think standards converters that really work are expensive... SL-HF-900 can also be turbocharged (BIs recording) if you know something about electronics...

It's funny to note that a high end (and therefore expensive) machine (HF900) was the most popular among beta users while VHS finally won a war because of cheapness.

This tells long about how beta enthusiasts prefer quality products !

To:BagyoMaybe someone tells me to stop helping people, or doesnt like my entity.Never mind anyway......

I'll keep posting fine URL

http://homepage1.nifty.com/Sony/MainTenance/SLF7/SLF7_001.html

heuhehe

maybe someone has visited before or i did posted.

Sean Meskill you never answered me about the $10 edit controller offer. I guess cheapskate like you don't sell cheap ? Oh yeah lets brag about your low budget buys. But don't sell low, OK. Cheapskate. Leonard.

No, sorry, I got a bit of a better offer... To be honest $10 is just a little low, I'll be honest I was expecting $20-$45... not very bad especially when you consider Sony sells them for $215. You can still buy all the cables you need cheaply and the manual too.

how about a graduation present? That GE vtr looks mighty nice.. :) heheheh.... Oh, yes Homer I DID clean the screen, lol. Don't the caps go bad/dry when the TV is not being used? Or the screen phosphors or something? How about the magnets, etc? How much would it cost to get those TVs adjustd to broadcast spec? (the 1992 RCA and 1976 Trinitron) Boby's just got a bit of a language problem. Thats why.. But I get the basic jist of what hes trying to say most of the time.

Uh, Jesse, the current bidder on the GE is Labmeister... he's loaded with $$$ and the VTRs are his hobby... I'd stay away... Anyway found some ultra-high quality Fuji VHS tapes someone imported from Japan... I intedned to use them as blanks and it's just as well! THey all have Karaoke! Yuk!

_@_v - eepers! gotta love this guy's item description...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020514069

Oh Yeah... that's the funniest thing I've seen all day.

dear God that is SO true of ppl in my class.... uck!

To:Jesse / everyone.

There's one Trimming potentio that will adjust the quality/clarity (possibly Convergence/Chrominance) of the Electron beam, that's located at the 'tube-end' PCB due to Swedish made TV.The rest are R G B and Y. I cannot explained more than i did coz i'm not TV expert heuheuheuehueheMaybe Brenda could give a hand

Darn, sounds like I missed out on a good listing.. all I get is the fleabay bad listing page.. :(

_@_v - The Snail is back selling betas with his snailie item pix and with his snailie prices...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022199363

Never fear, Brenda, I thought the text was a little controversial so I did copy and paste and create yon text file which should be shooting its way through the ether towards your side of the globe by the time you refresh the page!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022199363

The flourecent display seems to be fading.......quiter reasonable price nowadays

I have a Akia reel to reel tape deck, it has developed a high pitch squealing. Seems like it's caused by the tape dragging across the heads. What's the problem?

Thanks,Earl Simpson

Perhaps the heads are too worn and too smooth so the tape sticks there. It happens with beta head drums too.

Radio shack sells tape deck head/tape path lubricant. Give that a try.

Yes, Boby I have found that "Sharpness" pot on the end of my other Trinitron (August 1980 model KV-1513) I have successfully adjusted its sharpness, but now when it recieves a lot of moving video noise (like, you know the lines that result when you press fast forward or reverse?), it will quit. It turns off the picture tube and audio [over-voltage protection?], but the channel lights stay on (one of the push-button VhF tuners). I don't care about that, it works very nicely otherwise. My chief complaint is that the picture has a red tint (black is a reddish brown). I am not a TV technician either, but I really need to know how much it will cost to have these TVs, or if it is possible, to have them adjusted to broadcast or factory specifications. For example, I want the color settings restored on the KV-1215 12" Trinitron. Because I stupidly messed with the drive pots, I have to turn the tint all the way to green, and color all the way to the max level and brightness too, just to have a normal picture.

The only drive pots I messed with were on the KV-1215 BTW.

Betamie 'Bog' or A bad Betamie should've a break coz too intens messin' 'round at the Nuke reactor, and have a very long vacation to hell.

Jesse .....same expirience years ago.......<<Dont use metallic/conductive screwdriver>>U did way too much turning the pot' it should've moved a bit.(marked with permanent marking ink/pen at the first time or check the resistance with DMMultimeter and have it memorized of course desoldering it first).but it's OK it can be readjusted as you please.Also the tube pin and the socket might be loosen(easy does it <very fragile>)DONT PUT YOUR HAND 'ROUND THE BIG RED CABLE/,,,neon bulb will lit up within centimeters/you can imagine how high is the electron interference.

finally A white pot(wich i forget the place) will synchronise all the RGB+U+Y Pots level.

Some of the big Trinitron can be adjusted digitallyhere we arehttp://members.accessus.net/~090/awh/sonyadj.html

REMEMBER THE BIG RED CABLE dont get a heart attack!!!!!!!

o ya Have a large mirror in front of the TV........((,,,,luckyly i'm not a TV technician,,,))

NB to Jesse

If you want the TV to be a broadcast Qty i'm affraid its not possible.Decoding Chipset is differ to those conventionals TV. Broadcast TV seems to have a same "pixelation" as high end VGA monitor(thousands of pixs) but not to conventinals TV(only hundreds of pixs).This apply to the tubes also. If you insist you can vandalise the Tube and the PCB block from VGA monitor,i can't imagine that furthermore.

Jesse:

Last shop I worked in charged right at $50 an hour (or part thereof) for any repairs. They charged this even just to take the back off the set to change a fuse. I'm afraid you will find most shops work pretty much the same.. some even charge extra if the customer has "repaired" the set before them. Wish I was there, that's all of a 10 minute repair, including knocking in the convergence.

well Boby I didnt mean like, make the 1976 TV usable for master DV editing or anything, LOL; what I meant was can it be adjusted to factory specs.

You need voltmeter, Osciloscope, and so on. Possibly vectorscope as well. I've got 2 of those three things but no service manual (or maybe I do... I have 1000s upon 1000s of sam's photofacts from that era... I'll have to look for you.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021871432

This above auction is another Betagoodsnail ** it was a $86.00 until an hour or so before it went off.. Check out the 2 bidders that jacked it up at the end.. both from canada and both joined ebay the exact day and the names are very funny too. I may be wrong but I bet you will see this Betamax put up again because it didnt go off at the price he wanted.. Not the first time this has happened ... Very Strange Very strange Tom

Another interesting thing about this guy...lots of feedback recently about how slow he ships. Even the positive feedbacks are something like "Took a long time to get, but item is as described...". I anticipate that this guy will be gone within a month...

Ancient itemhttp://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020688760&category=27734And some manualshttp://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021719150&category=27734

_@_v - wonder how that SL-5000 got all the way to germany?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020688760&category=27734

My guess would be some American GI or flyboy stationed there..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020919361http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021358350

Another Strange auction from Betagoodsnail. The winning bidder of Btagoodsnail must have wanting a working HI end betamax, reason being he has no history of bidding on Betamax until this week. The other auction had the same winning bidder and betagoodsnail both just happening to be bidding up a non low end working Betamax from canada .. LOL VERY STRANGE

It seems a lot of 0/1 feedback people like to bid for this Betagoodsnail's items. Even for his Nintendo outfits...

And they always seem to join two weeks before the auction ends

Things that make you go 'hmmmm....'

I assure you we are looking into this matter and consider it of the utmost importance.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020585891&category=21165

No comment..........

allo JesseI just remember a smally TV set are fun for Betamy

http://www.tvhistory.tv/Smallest%20TV.htm

http://www.tvhistory.tv/Small-Tiny-Micro%20TV%20Sets.htm

I been doing my homework and here what i got:

Betamax Question- Item Hello I noticed that you are selling the same units over and over with the same pictures and beta Tapes that are included with each Betamax

In a message dated 4/28/03 5:35:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, .com writes:.com writes:

DONT NEED NO FANCY PICTURES TO SELL MY ITEMS!!!!!! Any bidder can check my SELLER RATING and REPUTATION. What the matter not doing good on eBay bussiness?

In a message dated 5/3/2003 5:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Watchdog985 writes:

Thanks for your quick response. Business is not my problem, Getting a Beta thats not brocken from a sellers is. Since you don't alert potential bidders that the pictured Beta may not be the one they will get, and. It may have marks or imperfections or if they are lucky it may have the missing door that you failed to mention in numerous same picture auctions.Tom

In a message dated 5/3/2003 6:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,.com writes:.com

<<hi!

THANKS FOR YOUR COMPLIMENTS ON MY BETAMAX PICTURES TOM.

Are you jelous?

Thanks

In a message dated 5/3/2003 7:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,Watchdog985 writes:

Im not jealous???, but after 3 emails to you are the pictures the actual Betamax you are selling or are you pawning off phony pictures of Betamaxes..

In a message dated 5/3/2003 8:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

.com writes:

If you are a watchdog, check my other listings. I use the same pictures for all my auctions, including the NEC and the same TV PICTURES showing it works, A BETAMAX is A BETAMAX IDIOT!!!!

if i'm not mistaken/missunderstood ...the Seller making lots of dirty money diggin' from E-bay...and you're stopping it...correct me if i'm wrong.

I recalled that statement on Ebay before, yes remember He said that....but i was just passing by at that time.HOW COME THE SELLER GOT LOTS OF RATINGS are all Ebay'er Idiots??Whuups ...sorry.......

Hi Betafans!!

I am having little luck in locating a working betamax. I have now purchased 3 machines, a working C7 a SLHF100 and a F30 (like what my momand dad had in 1984). In all cases, they have all been duds. I have been told they were in good condition to find that all were duds, with no operation at all C7 due to internal circuit burnout, the SLHF100 had no tape transport and the F30 was broken due to the seller taking cash off me on ebay for post and packing and he sent it to me in a half open motheaten cornflake box. The machine rattled and was badly damaged when I got it. It's obvious there is a lot of rubbish out there betafans, I wish I could find a good un (as we say in the Black Country in England!!) If anyone can help, get in touch Daniel

I've got a Sony Betamax 5800 w/remote and a couple of dozen pre-recorded movies on tape. And I want to sell. Is there any market out there for such a unit? What I expect to get?

Hello Beta-philes...I've got a working Sony Betamax 5800 Hi-Fi w/remote and a dozen or so store-bought movies in Beta. Is there a market out there? I want to sell! Do you want to buy?

Wow-didn't even take a month...Betagoods is "no longer a registered user"... :-)

Who sold him out?

to Boby

The bidder seem to have too much money and don't know how to spend or the seller have a VODOO master......hhauhauahuhauahau

Reading this site, I came to the conclusion, that you all jerk off to the beat of a beta vcr jamming up its tape.

Let that be a lesson to would-be snails. Cross the line and we'll salt you.

And to Skippy or whatever you're calling yourself these days. If you don't like what people have to say on this page there's no need for snotty remarks, you can always go to some other page. Or better yet go outside and play in traffic or something...

While you're out there go get me another carton of Morleys...

Hey Topher... are you mistaken as to what model you're selling? There's an SL-5800 that's a good machine but it's not a HiFi... The 5800 is worth a bit, and perhaps 30 % of its value is in the accessories. Do you have the remote? the Changer? The dust cover? What else? But the SL-5800 is NOT a HiFi.

blerfies... poor German u-mie looking for a home. :( I got "The (loading) Ring" and is fixxin to watch it right now. What chapter was it in where she watches the nuthouse videos on the grampy-beta? Awww! Those cute lil TVamies!! Hahaha!

To : Daniel

Sorry to hear that.....if dont give up seekin good Betamach U can go to My place where Betamach resides ,and imagine the costs would be like building a Castle in the Middle of pacific ocean.That's for real. Money cannot lie.

come to think of E.bay....some of ebayer have their id cards registered thou it was fake ID 'N no one knows .Now lets start makin cash of course with the help of some gimmy gook friends.By the time he's in a mass he really splits yet still no one knows.Here we are the new ID making a nu Bit and collecting Donations from the Rich.Who knows that may be some day the Protocol knows how this attitude find his way to a Cage.Yet still we dont know.

You guys are so petty and tripe, oh gee seller re-cycles pictures so what. This one lives in Canada, he had two bidders who signed on the same day from Canada bid the unit up higher. Oh, that's terrible. Illegal, immoral, etc. Damnit. Gee , I wish I could be like you guys on this forum , with absolutely nothing to do except comb through an auction site to pick out sellers and so on. Gee, if I could do that maybe I'd be like you. But I am not, and am thankful for it. I am just dumb and that is it. The end of the story. Ok, I gotta go now, time to change the tape in my SL-HF2100 (which has not been thrown off a cliff yet). Leonard.

Gee Leonard but I think you're comming to a rather rash conclusion about us that this is all we do... I for one do quite a bit more than this, but, I guess, I can understand how you could jump to that conclusion since this is all you see of us. But It's still a bad conclusion. Now I'm sure we can all agree that Ebay is full of people ready to rip you off... Just like the rest of the world. If we seem a bit spiteful in pointing out these people it's just because we're sick of them.

Hey Beta Friends. Lets face it The betamax pal site are not a beta pal chat site anymore. its a site for JUNK mail! you not see this on Umatic or Betacam chat page. All this snail s... If you have a problem about Someko,Snaling,or all they other, Why not send a letter to Ebay? for sure not on this site, Old computer stuff on Betamax pal chat site ???? Wrong Chat site. Old TV stuff, Again! Wrong site.Im sure lot of Betafans want the old site back just as its was for a few years ago. Its not the quanty off letters to this site but the quality. Just the way I see it and im sure lot of other see its the same way

Yes i see that too and you can live with that can't you?

_@_v - eeeee! SL-F1 /TT -F1 japanese ntsc unit and 2 HVC -F1 cameras up for grabs...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3022381865

hi pal, i'd just visited Betacam and Umatic page, some of them seems to talk to themselves obviously several like talking to a wall ,what are they ????

I've noticed that myself. At least we respond, even to jackasses.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021488588&category=39830

Wow! A reasonable price!

You must have excellent eyesstalk resolution Olivesnail. That listing makes no mention of the recorder being a Japanese SL-F1 but if you look carefully at the TT -F1 tuner you'll see that the channel selector panel had only ten buttons like the PAL F-1. Ever think about a photo interpreter job with the Satellite Reconnaissance Office?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3324057647&category=41615

Uh... make up your mind... is this VHS or Beta???

.......//##//____________________________________________________________I just foolin round at the local market i find a Tape seller that provide few Betamak and i was told that he can find me HF950 deck, next day i come ...there it is the hf950 full of dust.The shape quite ok ;when i try to plug the cord it works good, i had a peek at the rotary looks reasonable.It cost only 60 bux but i didnt take ((i'd alrd got a better deck at lower price)) . I said i can't afford that high.He wasn't disappointed even he got all the way down to his friend's place to get the deck just for me to have a look.He keeps smiling and still respect me......yet he said he'll got me better deck another chance.

hey ....Smokey guys and friends i'm not into this..........i got nothing to do with this..........

hey wacko go fux yourself ,leave us alone!!!

This last intervention above just confirms Kris' comments.

Pretty soon we will find this board down just as it went a few months ago. Only this time, it won't reopen. That's what I think is going to happen.

Aren't we optomistic?!? Why don't all of you who have nothing better to do than bash us go rile up tha Mac and UNIX people about how great microsoft is... Or better yet, just leave everybody alone. We don't need you at all. Please just leave us alone.

:( I think I should run the chat page. Or, can we start our own? Meanies' posts would be removed.

On second thought.

Got a question for everyone with a reasonable open mind.

If you walk into a used car lot dealership, lookking for a used vehicle. How much mark up do you think he is making out of it? Lets say, we dont know " of couse we dont! ", then if he is a reputable dealer, he would make sure that the car he is selling to you is road worthy. He will also give you some type of warranty " I hope ". Or......

You can go through the private sales , through your local newspaper. Surely, you can find a lower price vehicle, probably dont have to pay new car taxes etc... In the end, you may or may not get a better deal.

If you purchase the car through a private deal, you are not getting any sort of warranty at all, and you are on your own. In fact, most business do give you a 14 days money back guarantee or at the very least no " DOA ". If you purchase the vehicle privatedly, the seller doesnt have to give you a single cent in return for the broken vehicle.

Now, lets go back to my first paragraph. Just so I can drive the point across. I am for or against complaining ebay prices and policies. But, as you all know. Most sellers get their ID rating from other customers. Most of the buyers do have more than " 0 " ratings, so they know what they are getting into. The sellers must be registered via ebay and if they take paypal, they need to have a CC in order to get an account. Most seller will at least give you a " NO DOA" guarantee, others will at least exchange, return your money, or repair the unit for you. I have seen several sellers offering 1 month or up warranty on the items being sold. If I was a newbie, with " 0 " experience in purchasing an item through ebay, I would rather pay a lot more for a VCR that most people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO WORK ON THEM TO GET THEM IN OPERATIONAL status, than trying to find a " $50.00" deal, and hope, pray to allah, or whoever your god is, that the beast is going to work when you press the play button.

Paypal also offers you some type of protection for your purchase, so does ebay. If the item doesnt arrive as described per the transaction, then simply file a complain and go from there. The other thing you can do as mentioned earlier, is buy something cheap and hope you can fix it. I can assure you if the seller claims " I dont have a single tape to test this thing out ", thats a given. This thing doesnt work.

In concluion. If the seller sales his item at a higher than given price, this might be due to the fact that he / she has a higher cost of operating. Eg. Warranty offers, returns, exchanges, shipping costs, repairs of each unit prior to the sale etc. Same idea as buying a new Digital camera on ebay for 30 % less than what it would cost to walk into a local electronic store. The ebay seller doesnt have the extra fees incurred such as employees, rental, lease etc.. I am sure you get the point. so....... you are not being forced with a gun on your forehead to pay the high prices at your local store, you have the choice to go whereever you want to purchase your new camera.

Enough for now. Just wanted to express my ideas on this subject.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3019557350

Another Betagoodsnail, Check this out buyer and seller non registered users -LOL